Sorry, but
I had to write a post about this, lol.
So earlier today there was this post asking some questions about Steemit's stake and Tron which I didn't really bother answering because since they were on trending I figured he might take a look at the other posts there and figure out how much Steem Stake was sold to Tron which is mentioned in many of them. The point being that the post was just 5 questions in english and korean and was trending with $46 in rewards without burning any post rewards so I figured that's not something that deserved the rewards and gave it a downvote because disagreement on rewards and all that.
Anyway, he decides to logon to his 230k account and do the following:
and then this on another account with 440k SP:
and then leaves a comment similar to my initial one that said: "???" :)
Way to flex your SP, amirite guys? Retaliating over 14x my downvote power without even checking what my posts were about or if I was farming rewards the way he is with the self-votes.
If you're wondering, no, I'm not going to retaliate because I'm not a dickhead. Funny though how quick you find yourself in someone's crosshairs for disagreeing with the rewards on a post you find on trending and decide to downvote it. Maybe I could've explained my downvote better but was before I had my coffee ;D. Anyway, this is going to be interesting now that he's following me so let's see what happens in this post.
It's pretty annoying cause this has been happening quite a lot since the EIP. For the longest time I wasn't self-voting at all because with the 50/50 change it felt much better to curate instead when everyone was worried about losing post rewards I wanted to show that with the EIP the post rewards will go up eventually with having more and more accounts curating instead of farming votes or selling them. That ended up meaning my posts were being zero'd out for weeks at one point though so it felt shitty that my supporters and curators were getting no returns for their curation which now was also 50% so I started doing some self-voting again. I also feel bad using other accounts to counter these obvious retalations even though I've done so for other users but since this is me and I'm in control of the other accounts I can counter with it means people are instantly going to point fingers and call me a farmer or something. Heh, can't win either way I guess.
What are your thoughts on this, was I the one being unreasonable or is this person just really weird with downvotes, especially ironic here since the Korean community have been against using them but apparently when they do they do it as if there's no tomorrow.
It is certainly a bit unreasonable and childish.
Let me see if I understand, a publication of only 5 questions with a trend of $ 46?
My point: A post of only 5 questions, trending with $ 46 is one of the reasons why there are so many complaints on the platform.
Because, let's be honest, there is so much original and valuable content on the platform that unfortunately it is not rewarded properly, I mean, there are many better publications and with much less reward.
We always see more of the same in the platform trend and that creates a lot of disagreement.
Sometimes I think that, unfortunately, there are only people interested in money without any consideration for what others strive to publish here.
When will this change completely?
Yeah, this was the post in question: https://steemit.com/sct/@kopasi/requires-steemit-inc
I very much agree with you, I just wrote an explanation in his newest post about the EIP and what mindless farming for rewards will quickly turn Steem into which we've been fighting hard to change and gotten a lot of retaliation back for it, not just me but even my team of curators who actively look for quality posts to reward - imagine how backwards that all is. Although I realize now they may not care as much about that and not focus much on curation, I'm glad they at least stopped selling votes after some discussions and after they realized everyone else had stopped selling profitable votes as well.
Who knows honestly, when money doesn't matter anymore? :D
I just saw the post and my only question was "What is this?"
All that reward just for this? It didn't even make sense to me and much less I understand the votes he got for that? I can only assume that he voted himself?
Now I understand why so many people disagree with the use of bots, this misuse of them is a great proof of that.
Steemit needs a balance, as it sometimes has more use as an investment fund and money generator than as a content network. A balance is always necessary.
I completely agree with you to flag this post.
Correct.
And in addition, unfortunately, we are still facing the old STEEM problem: posts of well known or rich users receive many (auto) upvotes already within the first few minutes (even if the majority of the 'curators' don't even look at the content), whereas others get nearly no upvotes at all ...
(To say it drastically, many people prefer to sh.. on the biggest heaps instead to seek for the smaller ones.)
I think the incentive to earn more curation rewards when upvoting early is part of the problem. Instead of getting rewarded for hunting the posts of popular authors and upvote them automatically, real curators should try to find these good posts which haven't accumulated much rewards after more than an hour!
I have said this before and I'll say it again. I think we need some sort of an official post which remains on the front page which explains some of the basic rules (max 10) on steemit & co. These rules should be voted on by the community and are always subject to change depending whether there is a new consensus.
These rules would e.g. explain when it is legitimate to downvote a post. I know this is easier said that done and also harbors a lot of potential problems but I think it would give some guidance to a community that is often dominated by wild wild west behavior.
Anyway my 2 cents :D
This is one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of downvoting, nor flagging in the beginning. I remember the first time I got flagged and the emotional experience wass way out of proportion with the effect, which was essentially nothing. I was pretty pissed off though. Unless someone is breaking some objective rule I don't feel as if it's my place to do what amounts to a punishment. In my opinion there should be clear and objective rules for the community, and if those rules are broken, that's where downvotes should come in. I reserve the subjective for upvotes. Don't like something? Don't consume that content. That's my opinion anyway. I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here with that though.
This is how Steem was for a long time though, when downvotes cost and were rarely used. Did you see what resulted in that? Bid bots selling votes to whoever bought them, buyers posting content no matter the quality cause they knew they'd get ROI from the bid bots or friends that would vote them. Accounts that would just farm the rewards and SBD on a select few accounts with backroom deals to give back some of the post rewards cause they got the vote in the first place, etc.
We need some regulation and we need to normalize downvotes and that very same emotional thinking you mentioned needs to go away. I get it that it's not the same as on Youtube or Reddit when you get downvoted, even though it may hurt there too here it's squared cause there are pending post rewards in the mix and it feels like you are stealing rewards from them.
We just need to use downvotes well and be able to accept them well. Obviously I get that feeling over me saying "go nuke his active post rewards" but we need to realize that that is not the answer. If my posts get downvoted from random users that disagree with the rewards that's okay, unfortunately lately most of the time the only downvotes I've received have been from people with ulterior motives, grudges or as in this case retaliation and I'm not okay with those.
I do hope communities will change things a bit more and bring some balance into it.
Yeah, sorry, I realize it sounded like I was defending his actions. In the above mentioned scenario, I eventually calmed down and moved on, which is what he should do here. Agree on the regulation. A dispute resolution function would be very valuable here.
Just another middle-aged Korean man who can't stand the fact that people think their "work" sucks because they've been in executive positions for too long. But hey, they are more than willing to shit on their subordinates and others if given the chance.
lol it's kinda funny reading their posts and what people are responding, even though I imagine google translate isn't doing the best of jobs but, someone was in there "Fighting. Is it time to get together?"
lmao.
This does kind of make me think though of what could start happening once we reach main stream adoption. Imagine countries having flag wars vs. other countries. xD
Pretty much what's gonna happen. Even seeing similar things being said in some CN posts. But hey, we can decentralize all we want, but people still want to come back to the same centralizing points.
Decentralization is washed down as much as the word blockchain is a buzzword. Most things don't need true decentralization for them to work properly and most people don't even really care. It's nice having the option though compared to what there is today in the centralized world.
That I can agree.
(How did I not see your reply for days?)
That I can agree.
(How did I not see your reply for days?)
That I can agree.
(How did I not see your reply for days?)
The joys of our cancel culture. I don't like what you did/said/voted so I am going to do my best to bury you. Bunch of little babies.
Apparently he wrote a post, lol, this is google translate:
L. O. F'n L!
Looks like you have your hands full with this one... 🙄
Obviously this author has a very small ability to see things from another person's point of view. Did not even bother to review their own writng to make sure a reader could understand anything they meant. They only wrote it to self-justify complete ignorance for the downvote.
This is bananas. There's always someone with a point to prove, meanwhile I can't get enough to take pictures with compared to some people disagree with their possible down payments of weighty cash. Where does the entitlement come from? Who knows. That's why we foster generosity, reciprocity, it's because altruism isn't just a school of thought - it's life. I'm behind you no matter what this guy does. It's clear this person's out of line -- maybe we can use me to somehow? I'll be around getting mopped on GU, if ya need me.
Haha who knows, maybe he's had a bad trading day considering the markets. xD I'm sure they'll tire and realize it was just a random downvote from a random user. Dunno, though, I'd feel weird retaliating like that. Looking forward to the masses joining at some point in the future though, we sure don't lack crazy in here and maybe they can balance things out a bit with some common sense and rationality.
I played a bit today and got rekt too, really hope they'd up the development to allow for 1v1 and leasing of cards etc so we at @teamocd can host more tournaments and help newcomers borrow genesis cards.
Downvotes are rarely going to be well received. (“Thank you sir! May I have another?” Ha ha.)
But petty retaliation is ridiculous.
Honestly it's one thing to receive them and respond to them or ask why, but to go out of your way to retaliate like this and then write a post stating that he's been "waiting for this" like some kind of lunatic is another, lol.
Ah, so Steemit is still a whale run dumpster fire.
Yes, those who have the greatest stake still have the most power. That hasn't really changed.
This is the unfortunate problem with free downvotes. A lot of minnows have quit the platform due to increased toxicity. Whilst they have it much worse than an influential user like yourself, I'm sure you can a relate a little bit to how they feel. At the end of the day, it's too easy to say "just accept it", but we are social beings with emotions, and flag wars are asocial behaviour. I'll say what I've said many, many times over the years - if you really think free downvotes are a solution, then the entire system is fundamentally flawed and needs a complete overhaul.
It reminds me of Americans saying, "But we need guns to defend ourselves". No, you just need a better system, which the entire developed world has adopted decades ago. To be clear, free downvotes certainly work as a first aid emergency solution, but it's about time we did a thorough surgery to fix this injured beast. Getting distracted with more band-aids and hacks will mean the beast will die.
Don't take these analogies seriously, just having some fun.
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