good question thanks...its all about density, and buoyancy.....if your heavier than water you sink...if your lighter than air you float....weight is still weight, i suppose to define weight in either philosophy is the pressure exerted bye the downward force of a object....if your submerged in water do you weigh less? or is there just less downward force?...no your buoyancy is increased because the medium that your in is denser than your own matter....gravity doesnt actually have enough force to pull much..... as once your 300 miles up youll just float apparently???
and whats your weight in space?? and is it mass in space ??? so youll pull objects smaller than you into an orbit around you?? or draw them into impact?...
You seem to be conflating mass and weight. And yes, IF YOUR MASS were large enough, you'd attract smaller things in orbit around you... however, the weight of a human or the space station is not large enough to have any noticeable effect on attraction by other bodies.
ya i understand weight is dirived from gravity times mass...mass is derived from density as a multiplier for gravity to determine ones weight or whatever? i beleive this the concept for globe theory???...i dont beleive in gravity....i dont need to make up a measurment to devide bye gravity to than times bye gravity to derive weight... 1cc of gold is heavy cause its dense, the apple hit neutons head because the apples stem no longer could hold the weight of the ripe apple....nothing pulled the apple, it had to find its way below the air...
Sounds like your belief is a religious one (ie: it is faith based and not fact based). Therefore, no science I give you will change your mind. So, why are you trying to argue a scientific proof if your belief is faith-based anyway? I never can understand that. Faith is faith and science is science. Stop conflating them and arguing that your faith is scientific when it's not.
not religous at all...i was a fully indoctrinated
scientismist like yourself..2 degrees and all...your faith in science is very strong????.....why cant someones faith bring them to scientific enlightenment .....i am not religous....i do beleive the earth is flat....i dont believe in space...i dont beleive in sciences explanation for life....and i think history has been very twisted in the last 100 years...and the elite define academic curriculum to manipulate ones prospective and manipulate you away from the scientic method to perpetuating political manipulative dogma
Weight is the amount of force exerted on an object by gravity. If you don't have gravity, you need another answer for what this "downward force" is that makes objects weigh things.
Objects 300 miles up weight (almost) the same as they do on the ground. They don't automatically float, they have to be in orbit, which happens when centrifugal force cancels out gravity - the International Space Station goes around the world every 90 minutes, and if it just sat there instead it would fall just like if you dropped it off a building. The reason we don't put things into orbit nearer to the ground is that the atmosphere is in the way, not because things weigh more down here.
im saying stuff falls cause its heavier than air.... air is heavier than a helium balloon so it finds its way below the balloon.....they accelerate at speeds determined bye air resistance..or how fast the air can find its way around the hevier object......i think you only need a mythical force of gravity to stop the oceans flying off into space or the atmosphere from vacateing into the vacume of space
You are just repeating what YouTube videos tell you and miss the point. Why do 'denser' things fall TOWARDS the earth and not towards the 'firmament' or 'sideways'.
And, as he pointed out, you do not HAVE weight without gravity. There is no 'mass' to create density without the force that creates the weight. You simply cannot have a discussion about density and buoyancy without being forced to prove what CREATES density and buoyancy, since they do not exist without the downward force that we happen to call 'gravity' that explains WHY density and buoyancy act the way they do.
This is the FORMULA for buoyancy. It's mathematical calculation. Even DECLARING that buoyancy EXISTS is an admission that gravity exists. I'll let you guess what the 'g' stands for in the equation.
Fb = ρgV = ρghA
But if you actually want to understand it, instead of just repeat YouTube videos, here is the math.
Kilograms are a unit of mass. Density is mass times volume. A kilogram of feathers is bigger than a kilogram of iron, which is why a 1kg bag of feathers is more buoyant than a 1kg lump of iron, which is why one floats on water while the other sinks, which is why if weight comes from buoyancy a kilogram of feathers has to be lighter than a kilogram of iron.
feathers are less dense yes...gold is denser than lead and has a lesser volume....they displace less water as volume decreases....so the upward force of boyancy decreases....feathers uncompressed will retain alot of air...compressed out the density will increase.....its not heavier.... and it only floats when the medium surounding it, until the air molecules that cling to it are no longer holding it up...and it will sink once the boyancy derived from the air....nothing to do with the density of the feathers...
.but ya i agree stuff falls at 9.8m/sec....i cant tell u why they dont fall faster or slower...but the law is universal and applies to everything...it doesnt mean its the mass of earth causing it...
OK cool cool.... so that formula is listed here......buoyant force =(density of liquid)(gravitational acceleration)(volume of liquid)
= (density)(gravitational acceleration)(height of liquid)(surface area of object)....
so to get the value in newtons i need to use a equation with gravity...yet newtons are derived from gravity....you could probly get a job with nasa.....stuff falls...air doesnt
See @phyg 's answer. You still do not understand the difference between mass and weight, and you did not answer why objects do not fall up or sideways. What FORCE makes objects drop TOWARDS the earth.
Until you can answer that question, you are demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about.
The ISS isnt real mate....sorry....but ya it goes around the world every 90mins....and it actually is powered bye magical fairy dust, using gumgum forest magic to make's its way through the thermosphere and micrometoers........and The LEM took people to the moon too...and they used the tinfoil its made out of for a hat once they got there....after the golf, and buggy races.....lol
Everything I said about how gravity works in space was true and was known to physicists long before any space program, so that wouldn't be a relevant objection even if it was true.
And also obviously it's not true. I'm not impressed by what someone who doesn't understand the difference between weight, mass and density has to say about micrometeorites, you're just further illustrating how huge a chunk of reality you need to find excuses to deny if you want to believe in a flat Earth.
good question thanks...its all about density, and buoyancy.....if your heavier than water you sink...if your lighter than air you float....weight is still weight, i suppose to define weight in either philosophy is the pressure exerted bye the downward force of a object....if your submerged in water do you weigh less? or is there just less downward force?...no your buoyancy is increased because the medium that your in is denser than your own matter....gravity doesnt actually have enough force to pull much..... as once your 300 miles up youll just float apparently???
and whats your weight in space?? and is it mass in space ??? so youll pull objects smaller than you into an orbit around you?? or draw them into impact?...
You seem to be conflating mass and weight. And yes, IF YOUR MASS were large enough, you'd attract smaller things in orbit around you... however, the weight of a human or the space station is not large enough to have any noticeable effect on attraction by other bodies.
http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/units/difference-between-mass-and-weight.php
ya i understand weight is dirived from gravity times mass...mass is derived from density as a multiplier for gravity to determine ones weight or whatever? i beleive this the concept for globe theory???...i dont beleive in gravity....i dont need to make up a measurment to devide bye gravity to than times bye gravity to derive weight... 1cc of gold is heavy cause its dense, the apple hit neutons head because the apples stem no longer could hold the weight of the ripe apple....nothing pulled the apple, it had to find its way below the air...
You said "i dont beleive in gravity"
Sounds like your belief is a religious one (ie: it is faith based and not fact based). Therefore, no science I give you will change your mind. So, why are you trying to argue a scientific proof if your belief is faith-based anyway? I never can understand that. Faith is faith and science is science. Stop conflating them and arguing that your faith is scientific when it's not.
not religous at all...i was a fully indoctrinated
scientismist like yourself..2 degrees and all...your faith in science is very strong????.....why cant someones faith bring them to scientific enlightenment .....i am not religous....i do beleive the earth is flat....i dont believe in space...i dont beleive in sciences explanation for life....and i think history has been very twisted in the last 100 years...and the elite define academic curriculum to manipulate ones prospective and manipulate you away from the scientic method to perpetuating political manipulative dogma
Weight is the amount of force exerted on an object by gravity. If you don't have gravity, you need another answer for what this "downward force" is that makes objects weigh things.
Objects 300 miles up weight (almost) the same as they do on the ground. They don't automatically float, they have to be in orbit, which happens when centrifugal force cancels out gravity - the International Space Station goes around the world every 90 minutes, and if it just sat there instead it would fall just like if you dropped it off a building. The reason we don't put things into orbit nearer to the ground is that the atmosphere is in the way, not because things weigh more down here.
im saying stuff falls cause its heavier than air.... air is heavier than a helium balloon so it finds its way below the balloon.....they accelerate at speeds determined bye air resistance..or how fast the air can find its way around the hevier object......i think you only need a mythical force of gravity to stop the oceans flying off into space or the atmosphere from vacateing into the vacume of space
You are just repeating what YouTube videos tell you and miss the point. Why do 'denser' things fall TOWARDS the earth and not towards the 'firmament' or 'sideways'.
And, as he pointed out, you do not HAVE weight without gravity. There is no 'mass' to create density without the force that creates the weight. You simply cannot have a discussion about density and buoyancy without being forced to prove what CREATES density and buoyancy, since they do not exist without the downward force that we happen to call 'gravity' that explains WHY density and buoyancy act the way they do.
This is the FORMULA for buoyancy. It's mathematical calculation. Even DECLARING that buoyancy EXISTS is an admission that gravity exists. I'll let you guess what the 'g' stands for in the equation.
Fb = ρgV = ρghA
But if you actually want to understand it, instead of just repeat YouTube videos, here is the math.
http://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/buoyancy_formula/28/
Nitpick: density exists in zero-g, it's just buoyancy that goes. A kilogram of iron is still denser than a kilogram of feathers.
(Oh, yeah, other counterpoint to the buoyancy "theory": can't explain why a kilogram of iron weighs the same as a kilogram of feathers)
huh explan?...they both weigh a kilo..
Kilograms are a unit of mass. Density is mass times volume. A kilogram of feathers is bigger than a kilogram of iron, which is why a 1kg bag of feathers is more buoyant than a 1kg lump of iron, which is why one floats on water while the other sinks, which is why if weight comes from buoyancy a kilogram of feathers has to be lighter than a kilogram of iron.
feathers are less dense yes...gold is denser than lead and has a lesser volume....they displace less water as volume decreases....so the upward force of boyancy decreases....feathers uncompressed will retain alot of air...compressed out the density will increase.....its not heavier.... and it only floats when the medium surounding it, until the air molecules that cling to it are no longer holding it up...and it will sink once the boyancy derived from the air....nothing to do with the density of the feathers...
.but ya i agree stuff falls at 9.8m/sec....i cant tell u why they dont fall faster or slower...but the law is universal and applies to everything...it doesnt mean its the mass of earth causing it...
OK cool cool.... so that formula is listed here......buoyant force =(density of liquid)(gravitational acceleration)(volume of liquid)
= (density)(gravitational acceleration)(height of liquid)(surface area of object)....
so to get the value in newtons i need to use a equation with gravity...yet newtons are derived from gravity....you could probly get a job with nasa.....stuff falls...air doesnt
Run as you may! You cannot escape...the Almighty Bunghole!
but i cant run bevis+!!...not without gravity
The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers...
See @phyg 's answer. You still do not understand the difference between mass and weight, and you did not answer why objects do not fall up or sideways. What FORCE makes objects drop TOWARDS the earth.
Until you can answer that question, you are demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about.
The ISS isnt real mate....sorry....but ya it goes around the world every 90mins....and it actually is powered bye magical fairy dust, using gumgum forest magic to make's its way through the thermosphere and micrometoers........and The LEM took people to the moon too...and they used the tinfoil its made out of for a hat once they got there....after the golf, and buggy races.....lol
Everything I said about how gravity works in space was true and was known to physicists long before any space program, so that wouldn't be a relevant objection even if it was true.
And also obviously it's not true. I'm not impressed by what someone who doesn't understand the difference between weight, mass and density has to say about micrometeorites, you're just further illustrating how huge a chunk of reality you need to find excuses to deny if you want to believe in a flat Earth.
Just think of how much more you could and no get over weight if there was no gravity.
im pretty sure you could still get overweight even if you lived on a doughnut
Okay, I'll stick to my diet.
heh not you personally btw :-) ...just flat earth isnt the answer to everything! :-)
I didn't take it that way but thanks for clarifying.