Thought Bubble Thursdays #12 - Time's Up
Last week and the week before that were probably my two favorite Thought Bubble Thursdays. I don't know how I could ever top those. So, I wont. Instead, what I'm going to do is to dial it back a bit. Dial it back to simpler times. I could very well end up in times of conflict, but I have an equal chance of arriving at a time of great innovation and enlightenment. Who knows? In this wibbly wobbly, timey wimey affair we're in, the only thing that we could be certain of is uncertainty. So, with that, let's Travel Through Time... Thursdays!
We've talked about reality warpers before, so we're not exactly blazing a new trail here. Time travel is quite a familiar trope, not only in comics but in other media as well. Back to the Future, Terminator, Doctor Who—these are but some of the multitudes of franchises that rely heavily on time travel. It's way easier to wrap our heads around this literary device as compared to reality manipulation, and while we may think that we're able to explain this complicated concept, we're undoubtedly explaining ourselves into a corner.
How hard can it be? Well, no matter how much science tries to explain it, no one can really ever know for sure. The greatest minds in the world have dedicated their lives either trying to prove that it exists or debunking it as fantasy. Whole courses are taught in universities specifically concerning the very foundation of this concept. And, rightfully so.
Next to reality manipulation, time travel has to be the second most powerful ability one could have. The fascination for this might stem from the writers trying to undo mistakes they've made and correct them. Or, it could be an excuse for lazy writing once again. Let's examine the different way comics travel through time.
From the future, changing the past
Now, this is some Terminator shit. So, try and keep up. This has to be one of the most overused directions of time travel there is. From Cable going back in time to stop a dystopic future from happening, to Bishop going back in time to stop a dystopic future from happening. Wait, hmm... I'm sensing a trend here. Hold on. Waverider, Deathlok, Future Flash. Well, I guess most of the heroes that go back in time go back for the reason of stopping a cataclysmic event or a future dystopia from becoming a reality. That's noble and all, but I feel like it brings more questions than solutions, doesn't it?
If they go back in time and stop the cataclysmic event from happening, how sure are they that they won't cause an even more catastrophic event or a more grim future? Are they even a wild card or have they always been predestined to travel back in time, therefore rendering the past to be unchangeable? What if they go back in time and accidentally step on a butterfly? Would that cause the end of the world? Does their intervention even make a difference? If they do go back and change it, would they even have any recollection of the former dystopia when they return? Would they even be born if the future turns out bright and shiny? If they sleep with a woman that gives birth to a child that would turn out to be their parent, does that make them their own grandpa?
I told you there would be more questions. The more we poke holes in this, the less appealing time travel becomes. Suspension of disbelief is the key to enjoying time travel stories that follow this direction.
On the flip side, there are villains like Kang the Conqueror, Immortus, Monarch, Chronos, Epoch, Abra Cadabra, Professor Zoom, Time Trapper (boy, DC sure has lots of time travelling villains) who want to go back in time for their own personal gain.
The way some comics deal with this is that new realities are formed, new futures come to life. So, when time travelers go back to the future, they're not going back to their original future. They are, in fact, going to a different reality. That means the dystopic future that they've left behind remains exactly how they left it. Though, there are others that still try to force feed that time travelers are wild cards and that they make a difference to the future. Personally, I go for the former. I'm a big believer in the many worlds interpretation that's why this is the truth I choose to live.
DC's Flashpoint event was caused by Barry Allen going back in time to stop Professor Zoom from killing his mother. It created a dystopic present, and rewinding that caused all of DC continuity to be rebooted. While the original Age of Ultron storyline, realized the convoluted nature of time travel and just completely fucked up the timestream after multiple jumps.
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Oh hey, at least we have Booster Gold to provide some lighthearted romp. He traveled back in time to become a famous superhero instead of trying to change the future. We should all be like Booster.
From the past, jumping to the future
This one's less used, but equally tricky to navigate. Perhaps because the stakes are lower that's why it isn't as appealing for writers. This one plays on the trope that if a person knows the future (and it's not to their liking) what can they do to change it. Well, at least that's the conundrum that they're often presented with when they get back. But, is the future set in stone or is it still fluid? If they're able to change their future, then what future did they initially see? Aren't people who catch a glimpse of their future doomed to repeat it?
Superboy, Flash, Iron Lad, these are but some of the characters that have travelled forward in time. The lessons these characters learn undoubtedly shape their life moving forward when they return to the past. It's doubly weird when the lesson they learned was caused by their future past selves, which in turn was influenced by the events that their past future selves experienced in the past of the future they would live in. Just roll with it. Trying to logicize time travel is futile.
In summation
So, what have we learned here today? To tell you honestly, for me, not that much. Time travel is a complicated concept with overreaching consequences. They do more harm than good, not only to the story, but to continuity itself. It may be a way to correct past errors, but it could easily be the cause of future ones too. If writers operating in the same universe would just establish a unified concept when it comes to time travel, it would be for the better.
In terms of the comics, it seems like Marvel's resestting the field with their new "Fresh Start" initiative. With regard to the movies, I feel like DC does need a "Flashpoint" level to help their universe keep up. No, I don't mean a time travel scenario to help smoothen up the DCEU. I meant they actually need a time traveller to go back and tell them to branch out a whole universe from Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.
And with that, we're out of time. Thought Bubble Thursdays has had a good twelve weeks (thirteen if you count the break). With the wedding coming up, this series would be going on an indefinite hiatus. Thank you to everyone who has supported this series through comments, votes and resteems! I mean that from the bottom of my heart. As I'll be going through a major life change, I would be retooling some things to adjust to my new routine. I don't know when or if this weekly series would return, so I appreciate all the wonderful interaction it has received during its 12-week run. As they say, only time will tell.
I've learned more about comics and superheroes from your posts than in all previous years (I couldn't travel back to confirm, but I made an educated guess), and you finished off with a topic that has always interested me. From those heady days of Back To The Future (or was it Forward To The Past?), and yes the classic Terminator. Thanks for the entertaining read.
And all the best for the upcoming wedding. Congrats to you and the future Mrs Jedau :)
I'm happy to provide this service haha! I'm sure comic book writers won't appreciate it though. Forward to the Past sounds about right. I always questioned the authenticity of that title when I was a kid haha! I'm just glad I was able to entertain the consummate entertainer!
Thank you for the well wishes, mate! Fingers crossed we surived the day without a hitch!
If they go back in time and stop the cataclysmic event from happening, how sure are they that they won't cause an even more catastrophic event or a more grim future hehehe maybe the reason they run always back in time is because by solving one catastrophic event they triggered a chain of catastrophic events :p
Also CONGRATS ON YOUR UPCOMING WEDDING!!!!!
That is a possible reason! So many things worth discussing about this topic!
Thank you for the well wishes, man! I appreciate it :D
What a fun read. I particularly like the "didn't change the future, just made a different reality, the first reality exists as they left it" part. Horrible paraphrasing I know! I love these sci-fi concepts, both time travel paradoxes and alternate dimensions. Have you ever read timeline by Crichton? Instead of going back in time they go into a different dimension that occurs at the same time, however is moving slightly behind so it resembles our Middle Ages (using MRI technology, don't question it!) anyway, cograaaats on your wedding! Very happy you get to
marry the supportive woman of your dreams! See you when you get back!
That paraphrased it quite perfectly actually haha! Timeline by Crichton? I can't say that I have. I know he's a great sci-fi writer, but I fear that I haven't read that one. Is it any good? Sci-Fi does have that caveat to suspend disbelief haha!
Thank you for the well wishes, brother! If only I knew you personally when we were doing our preps, we would have totally made you the wedding singer! If anything, it at least gets @dreemit to tag along with you haha! Also, I'm still here for a while, it's just this series that's taking a break before I do haha!
Wedding singer? Now that would've been fun! Where would I be flying in to? Hopefully warmer/sunnier than where I live. Rochester Ny- always in the top 5 snowiest cities in the US. Timeline is good. It's not amazing, I wouldn't recommend it first. Jurassic Park, The lost world, Congo- those ones are really good. And even as I say that, I mean, they are really good for Crichton. He wasn't not the best writer, but he had genius innovative sci-fi plots based on real ground breaking science with constant suspense. He even described the internet fairly accurately in Congo, and that book was published in 1980.
The Philippines :D Definitely warmer and sunnier haha! I've read JP, TLW and Congo before, so I could attest to that. I like The Andromeda Strain as well. I do get what you mean about Crichton though haha No matter his ability, he has a great track record when it comes to his work being adapted. That say something!
Which wedding,? Are thou getting married? So I can time travel and go wait for you there........ It's been really fun and exciting with your bubble Thursday's, to me time travel will do more harm oh, imagine changing the lives and history of every other person, good moments some people don't want to forget. Low ba3, thanks for sharing.
Indeed, I am, my friend :D No need for time travel. Only a few more days before I tie the knot haha! Thank you for your continued support! I really appreciate all the love you give my posts. Truly heartwarming :D
Wow, congrats my friend, it's a thing of joy and great celebration, you're upgrading and your life reputation will definitely sky rocket. Cheers my friend as you find favor, a warm hello to her for me.
Thank you, my friend! I shall extend the greeting :D
Time travel has long been a topic dear to my heart. My take on it is that - if time travel were possible - nothing could be changed. Because - if you go back in time 20 years, say, you were actually already there 20 years ago.
You mention above that "this is some Terminator shit". The original Terminator is awesome because it holds to this idea of time travel - Reese and the Terminator's time traveling did nothing to change the past. In fact, their trip and conflict is exactly what makes their future possible: Reese impregnates Sarah so that John Connor can send him back; and the technology of the Terminator is found by the company that builds the AI that eventually takes over the world.
In other words: there was never a version of the past where Reese and the Terminator were not shooting it out on the 80s Los Angeles streets.
Terminator 2 - with its theme, the future is what you make it - is a betrayal of the original's realism. :)
We are more or less trapped within the dimension of time. We cannot view reality from outside of it. But if we could, we would see that the past and the future exist equally, and all was set from the first moment of the Big Bang.
Ah I see, a predestination guy. I respect it! I was of the same school of thought for years as well.
Oh yeah, no, don't get me wrong. That was the good kind of "shit" haha! Like "this cannoli is da shit!" kind of thing. I feel like Terminator is one of those franchises that stick the landing in terms of time travel. They're caught in an unenviable loop, and they're powerless no matter their effort. Everything that they have done was already written, and their efforts of changing the future was always leading up to the future they were trying to avoid. It's a shame the whole franchise didn't stick with the example of the first one.
I do agree with the notion of time (past, present, future) being like a river, with everything happening at the same time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, man. That was awesome! :D
Why on earth everybody is getting married except me.
Dystopic future, you wrote? Many realities? I have an agnostic approach to it. Can't decide, but Keanu Reeves gifs are too distractive - that guy is sooooo hot!
Haha! You do you, my friend. There's no need to rush it. Love will come at the right time. Just go with the flow.
I felt like Keanu was a good way to alleviate the headaches caused by time travel. I was right ;)
I wanna go with the flow, it is my family that doesn't want!
Families have a way of rushing things haha! Don't be pressured!
there's also this... :(
I think it gives the series an end with a hopeful note. So Ahsoka was always taken to the future for a short time!
From a comic writing perspective they probably need all that time travelling as an excuse to make up new stories with old characters that could then be "rebooted" into "new" characters (with the same name just different because...)
I try really hard not to think too much about time travelly stuff, I would probably lose hours that I can't travel back in time to get back XD
Yeah, you're probably right, mate. OR they could, I don't know, invent new characters hahaha! I hate it when they reboot characters for the sake of it. It kind of trashes its previous impact.
That's the irony about time travel, isn't it? It robs people of so much time that they can't back. I guess they're traveling to the future in a way?
Your thoughts shared on this episode contains some good points.
I'll be reading at night time to fully grasp your views on the time travel subject.
A great post overall. Maybe using of breaklines and formatting will make the post to be much easier to read through and increase engagement.
Thanks again @jedau!
Hmm I make sure to format my posts whenever I can. Would you mind pointing out where you feel it's lacking?
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