NOBLEWITNESS UPDATE - On Promises, Contracts, and Integrity
We called our witness @noblewitness because we believe that honesty and integrity are the best policy. That’s why our tagline is “the no bull witness.” A major part of integrity is following through on your promises and honoring contracts once they’re agreed upon.
This strikes most of you guys as painfully obvious, I’m sure. After all, you’re supposed to keep your promises. We all learn that as kids. If you promise to do something for someone--especially when they give you something in exchange for that promise--the right thing to do is to follow through. That’s the essence of contract. You offer something of value or a promise to perform a certain task to someone else, in exchange for that someone giving you something of value or performing something you want done.
@gmuxx was fortunate enough last week to score a discounted ticket to Steemfest. Aside from just how awesome it is to have a ticket to go at all, this was doubly crucial for the witness team because he’s the only one that can go. @anarcho-andrei is in school, @sircork went down to Steemfiesta, and @rhondak has put all of her money into TARC and rescuing puppies, leaving no funds to buy a ticket and accomodations.
@theuxyeti was the one that offered the ticket. You can see the terms they agreed to below, as well as the development of the situation that led to this post:
That last statement, made by Yeti, is him breaking a binding promise that he made to Gmuxx. He agreed/promised to give Gmuxx a ticket to Steemfest for a certain price, and Gmuxx agreed/promised to pay it. Further, he promised to hold the ticket while Gmuxx paid the total price of the ticket in installments. Folks, this is a contract.
A contract is an agreement between two or more parties creating obligations that are enforceable under the law. This agreement may include promises exchanged for each other, or promises exchanged for performance of an act. Once the terms are assented to by both parties, the contract binds both parties to their promises. This is especially true when there is valuable consideration--like money--given by one party in exchange for something the other party is offering.
A party breaches a contract by failing, or indicating that they will fail, to perform their previously agreed to promise. When a party has breached their contract in this manner (a total breach), the other party has a right to demand specific performance under the contract. In other words, the person who was expecting the other to do what they promised is within their rights to demand they follow through.
This is what people are sued for in court.
Make no mistake, the exchange between Yeti and Muxx was absolutely a contract. Yeti agreed to sell Muxx his ticket for a certain price, and Muxx agreed to pay the price. Further, they agreed on a scheme of payment in installment, where Yeti would hold the ticket until Muxx paid the full amount. Once they agreed, they created legally-binding obligations to each other. Muxx followed through with his as per their contract.
Yeti, on the other hand, did not. Not only did he refuse to honor his promise under the contract, he made it clear he was selling the ticket to someone else--a ticket which Muxx was legally entitled to under their contract.
@theuxyeti is, without a doubt, a stunning example of bad character. There was no excuse offered for Yeti breaking his promise and breaching the contract he had with Muxx. Circumstances hadn’t changed that made it impossible for him to offer Muxx the ticket. No misfortune had befallen him. Instead, he screwed over someone he’d entered into a contract with for nothing more than convenience.
We’re the No Bull Witness, and we’re not going to let that slide. If you have dealings with @theuxyeti, be wary and keep an eye on him. If he’s broken a promise this egregiously once, there is no doubt he’ll do it again.
pathetic - your word is worth ? Zero ?
What really galled me was the "a witness offered to refund my full price for my ticket as a courtesy to me." First, what the heck does he think Muxxy is? A not-witness? Secondly, the blockchain is a big old tattletale about where the money transfers came from. The other party says they bought the ticket, and the transfer record shows 425 Steem, which is a higher price than GMuxx was under contract to pay. I tend to believe the other party, and also that he had no clue he was purchasing a ticket from someone engaged in blatant breach of contract.
Lol you’re an idiot! Butt out, nosey nutjob
you agreed on 400. 100 per week. You even offered payment in 4 weeks!
Everybody can see that from the conversation.
You think we are all idiots or what? It is a binding agreement everywhere on this panet. You broke the agreement because someone offered few $ more. FU pathetic idiot, forgets about an agreement the moment someone winks with a dollarbill.
Fucking hilarious! I didn’t want to take the risk with waiting 5 weeks to get paid when someone offered a full payment to refund the ticket and allow me to pay my sponsors back.
You slander ina decentralized platform. I refunded his partial payment. Fucking hilarious! You’re a complete DOUCHEBAG
How is it slander? You agreed to the terms of the arrangement that was made between you and Gmuxx, and he completed substantial performance on that contract. The fact that it would take longer for you to receive the full payment is something you should have contemplated before entering into a contract. That's the point of discussing terms.
You breached the contract you made with Muxx. It's not being a douchebag to point out that you lack integrity when you literally broke a promise for your own convenience.
Comedy! Why can’t you so called witnesses use the website and pay full price, cheap skates
I've kept quiet up until now. A few things to set straight:
1 - YOU offered the ticket in a discord channel cheaper than full price.
2 - We agreed a price and a schedule. I agreed to increase the payments to get it paid quicker.
3 - YOU reneged on the deal
4 - YOU also DID NOT pay 150 steem of your own money towards the ticket, when @therealwolf donated it to you as seen in this screenshot
Taken from your post HERE requesting help to get to Poland.
5 After the generosity shown in upvotes and donations enabling you to buy said ticket, YOU then sell it first to me, then to @FollowBtcNews for an extra 25 Steem.
And you have the nerve to call me a cheapskate?
Get off your damn high horse.
That's not relevant to anything. Why can't you honor a contract you made with another party? You're a professional, correct? Surely you understand the importance of honoring contracts and the obligations that arise out of them.
A contract? We set a payment plan over 5 weeks not a contract, nobody signed anything. Perhaps I’m new to this whole decentralized thing but there are NO contracts in decentralized.
It was 24 hours after receiving 1 of 5 payments that an offer for the full refund was awarded as an option. Clearly you guys understand my position do you not?
Most ppl would completely understand the circumstances here. Instead you want to get upset when and put people on blast rather than discuss privately.
The minute you guys decided that, I’m happy to be assertive with my point of view.
Sometimes people that charge into battle without all the facts or understanding both sides and why , you should really try to reach out to me before you start talking shit about ppl.
I’ve contributed across this platform greatly. Clearly for you to be so short sighted and quick to pull the trigger on someone really shows you didn’t take the time to get to know me, understand the story, and with limited information make an assumption. Kinda sounds like me huh? Making a decision on limited information about another user... add money, paybacks to loans, and speed of completion i think honestly you’ve managed to surface a flaw in decentralized governance. How do u trust the people on this platform, is there a way to convince a user that the other user is real, legitimate. I still believe that is still unresolved here. It’s a good argueme t to discuss authenticity of users especially when transactions are involved. How do you know. Ultimately i don’t know gmuxx and who knows it could have been a straight up solid 5 weeks deal, but too me it was far more risky of getting screwed vs someone i work with on a daily basis on projects on steem. I’m sorry you don’t agree. You’re entitled to your opinion. Had i known gmuxx as you have I’d think different but i only know what i know.
That’s the best answer i can give you!
Clearly you are, as contracts exist in a decentralized space. ERC20 tokens are smart contracts. There are contracts everywhere here. Moreover, a signature is not necessary when one party acts in reliance to your promise and substantially performs what they agreed to. You accepted that performance. You constructively bound yourself to the contract you made with Gmuxx.
Well, you could start by honoring contracts and understanding when you've obligated yourself to complete your end of a bargain. That would go a long way to fostering trust between others and you. The fact that you don't believe there are contracts in crypto or on a blockchain should tell anyone who's curious all they need to know about what you think about entering into agreements with others.
Well I'm glad you're happy to keep expounding on how no one should trust you with any business venture or simple agreement.
@anarcho-andrei's analysis matches my understanding of contract law as it exists in many countries.
Early on there was perhaps an "out" that existed depending on the interpretation of the word hold in the phrase "I'll hold it for 4 weeks". However, this out was closed with the later renegotiation of a repayment schedule and then really bound when GMuxx paid the first installment (substantive performance). The time for evaluating risk is before making the agreement.
I fell afoul of this situation myself once when I was like 15/16 years old. It took some explaining to me before I understood why the customs around contracts are the way they are. Glad it happened when I was young and forgivable :)
Gotta say, seller messed up. But, he doesn't have to take my word for it. There's plenty of resources available online about contract law.
Well since @rhodak has stated you guys think I’m a spade, i assume you guys are racist now! Good to know.
That is laughable. Keep digging that hole, bud.
"You're a complete DOUCHEBAG" ---> spoken while looking in the mirror at himself
Bunch of babies. Seriously. No interest in waiting for pennies every week. Equally i have to assume that muxx would come thru. It’s like an eBay transaction i can always refund the buyer. I’m sorry too much to risk on my end.
If you guys are such bully witnesses why can’t u buy your own full price tickets or pay the full amount in full anyway. Lol
Talk about integrity.
Sorry not sorry. Amazed you guys really don’t see my perspective. Had a not refunded the amount then yes I’d be the douchebag. But it was! Grow up you guys lol
Keep squealing. You're just showing your true colors. You're also revealing things about your intelligence level that I really don't think you want the entire platform to know. But that's fine. Carry on....
Lmfao! Comedy!
I'm surprised you didn't even try to muster a defense. So far, all you've said was "well I broke the contract because I found another buyer after I already agreed to sell it to Gmuxx." This doesn't excuse a breach of contract, chief.
Eh I’m over it, stop causing an issue
You're the only one that caused an issue here. And you're getting roasted for it. Maybe next time you should honor a contract you make with someone else.
Says the man who violated his own contractual obligations because he had "no interest in waiting for pennies every week." I didn't know that was a valid excuse to violate a contract.
Classy response. Nuff said. I think this says enough by itself.
I completely agree! You want to trash talk about my refunding a buyer bc it’s too risky to me to accept 5 weekly payments vs 1 bulk payment feel free ... honestly it was the best decision for all parties.
Kudos to you fools for blowing something far outta proportion when you’re not even involved. Butt out! Nosey fools
He's talking about you, and your denial of reality. Keep digging that hole, chief.
Oh my God!!! He really didn’t realize Cork is Noblewitness????
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wonder often how some people survive to adulthood. Then I remember that old saying about drunks and fools....
If that’s the case one would think this high profile witness then wouldn’t be skimming for a minnow half priced ticket for SF and contribute more to the event no?
Ive been to 5 meetups this year, helped plan and fund several of them. Im currently in Peru attending a steem business conference and helping sponsor some venzuelan's attendance costs. Following that i have several more in early 2019 to attend as a vip guest or speaker and ultimately in june a select team and i are producing the largest scale platform wide public event for steem created yet called Steemerica, a north american based steem conference for the americas. We will be sponsoring many needful attendees from around the ecosystem and all of our tickets will be aimply $150.00 per person with no fee increases. Some aub events such as the main banquet will be optional and at an additional fee but all core event speakers and dailt entertainment events will included in the flat rate admission price.
As for Rhonda and steemfest. We all have different projects, expenses and cashflows in terms of both when and how those arrive. As time passes and steemfest tickets inexplicably inflate, we have worked to set aside modest witness income and try to divert other funds to these tickets. But as noted our witness runs two charities and exactly zero for profit projects (tho some are in development for next year) so income derived here not already earmarked to give to charity work or operational costs WOULD obviously go to these tickets. You were paid some of it from Muxxy already before you reneged on your word and rendered your "word" in print... Untrustworthy and useless.
I almost read all of this, and had i kept the funds then i agree I’m a douche, but i don’t know muxxy. Had i known YOU were backing his play YOU are someone i would trust to know the deal wouldn’t sour. In hindsight if i knew i wouldn’t have worried about the transaction bc i know you’d be good for it even though we don’t talk i know ppl that DO vouch for you as i have for me.
I guess if there were all these funds and things I find it strange to not have had the payment in full vs nibbles. I don’t care.
@sircork i will apologize to you for being involved and for stepping in. There’s little transparency on this platform to know who is credible and who is not. I don’t have the time currently to decipher this. I’m dealing with family and hurricane in Florida issues if you’ve not seen the news look. The last thing i need are racial slurs from @rhodak. Needless to say from this experience i DO see true colors of everyone. I won’t back down nor feel in the wrong in the slightest. I’m sorry for slinging mud back at you in the crossfire, i just won’t be bullied by anyone.
For what it’s worth, i applaud you on your continued involvement on this platform making it better and more accessible for others. Very nice! Gtg!
No hole here to dig. Don’t feel bad. You guys are a bunch of cheap minnow witness babies i guess. I would think you’d want to represent SF by contributing full price tickets to the cause like REAL witnesses, instead you guys are just embarrassing yourselves.
I may still attend the event lol, it’ll be interesting to meet you guys face to face and squash this over a beer or see your true colors.
That would be amazing. Because you are seeing our true colors. We all four believe in truth and justice and old fashioned integrity. We're also not afraid to call a spade a spade and we can't be bought. Some of us spend almost every dime we earn on charity projects with far greater importance than paying full price for tickets. As far as contibuting to the event, apparently you haven't noticed that two of us on the Noblewitness team, including the guy you behaved so dishonorably toward, will be presenting at the event on stage. That's what that ticket was for--to get him there. Based on the upvotes he has received on recent comments, it does appear that the Steemfest organizers are aware of what you did to him. So yeah--how 'bout that beer?
So by calling me a spade, you’re a racist!
Oh dear lord. You really struggle with vocabulary, don't you? I mean, like...it's a real problem. Basic words confuse you. So I guess it should be no surprise that idiom and colloquialism just flies right over that head of yours.
SPADE
Sounds great! I’m in direct contact with roelandp happy to squash this childish squabble over a beer! And if you guys are so MIGHTY and involved, why can’t you act with integrity by buying a ticket from the website like everyone else.
I'm sorry, were you not offering to sell your ticket at the price you agreed to sell it at? Was everyone involved just making that up?
You offered payment in 4 weeks yourself
slan - der
noun
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
li-bel
noun
a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation
So first of all, figure out the difference between slander and libel. That would serve you well. Words matter.
Secondly, the key phrase here is "false statement." That has to be established conclusively to claim either libel or slander. If a statement is true, crying about slander just makes you look like a whiny little douche who slept through his vocabulary lessons in grade school.
I laugh at people trying to act intelligent lol
So I'm assuming you were laughing at yourself, seeing as you don't understand what civil wrongs you could level against someone for false statements, nor do you understand the defense to them.
Andrei, I’m starting to wonder if this guy really is short bus, legit. I mean, I don’t mind teasing the willfully ignorant, but I’d rather not be accused of pulling Forrest Gump’s pigtails, if you know what I mean. 😳 I will try to disengage. “Try” being the operative word.
Lol
Moral of the story.
Breaching a contract essentially is breaking a promise you made to follow through, but with much more on the line than just your word. Sorry, chief, but your integrity is shot, and your comments insisting that you did nothing wrong just weakens your already shaky position.
Yeah, you pull this shit on eBay, and you get your account suspended. Just try it. I dare you.
Happens all the time lol
You guys are a bunch of PSYCHOS! You went to my buyer and complained and guilted them into buying a ticket for @gmuxx , then @rhodak calls me a Spade a spade, you guys are RACIST! Don’t you know if you say that to people in the South you’ve got a serious problem.
Then @gmuxx screen shares PM messages that are in a post!
Let’s talk about integrity?
Again, spade
Dude...come on...the more you talk, the more idiotic you look. But keep it up, because you've done nothing but prove our point, which is that Steemit users should avoid conducting business transactions with you because either A) you don't understand the legalities and ethics involved in conducting business transactions, or B) you don't care about those legalities and ethics, either of which case makes you a BAD RISK.
Nah, you guys just blow things outta proportion. The relationship I’ve built with top 50 witnesses aren’t tarnished inthe slightest from losers like you guys.
Perhaps i should post a post about how your a racist and let everyone know how you truly feel. Perhaps i should screen grab portions of these conversations and post them displaying your intregrity and allowing others to see that you are a RISK as well for human character and defamation. That you are just a closet bully on this platform attacking race with your witty unintentional and punitive responses! Sorry I’m not like that. I don’t continuously cyber bully ppl here on this platform. You’re so delusional
No dude
People are generally not as dumb as whoever you normally base your standards on... Which must be a very unique crowd of suckers to buy your nonsense herein as printed.
Bottom line. Go buy anything, saya car... Or a house... Or a tv from spme rent to own joint. Any item on payments will do for this experiment. Make a couple payments to an unscrupulous integrity lacking seller and get back to me when you come home and find the tc missing or the car gone or the locks changed because they randomly and without warning sold your currently paid up to date shit. Im pretty sure you would go apesht like you are on this page only in the example scenario given here you would be right to as pissed and angry as muxxy and others are here. In the real event unfolding here, however, where you are the actual low intgrity deal breaking, promise breeching low af unscrupulous seller... You really need to stop making yourseld look worse becauses its rapidly becoming too late for you tomake any public apology or other amends to assuage some of ill will youve now earned for yourself in the public eye.
Im not going to fix hasty cell phone typos here as i am on limited connectivity which is quite slow here in Lima Peru handling steem business with many well known steem business people, investors and project reps. All of whom heard this story last night and wont be doing any business with you after they all say this page and your responses.
Fyi they arent even picking a side on the original issue they just mostly think you failed on all uour responsez to thos, guilty or not in their opinions. All agreed you missed rhe high road and went low. And that was enough for a table full of observers to go... Woah. That guy blew this image management and integrity proving opportunity. So now how many others saw thisbthat will never say a word.... Not boding well for you. Just some observations.
Lol! You guys are too much! Public apology LMAO! Such losers! If anyone will be accepting an apology it’s me from you!
Good luck defending the racists on your team!
And here @sircork we spoke months back and introduced by my #1 friend @patrice whom i hold in the highest respect. I figured you of all people would understand my perspective but clearly also missing it as well!
Shaking my head 😂
invoke all the names you want. Patrice won't touch this with a ten-foot pole. I can tell you I've heard her speak about people who have reneged on deals with her before both in private and I believe even on her transparency radio show that used to be on my former station and she has no really warm feelings for that sort of thing. I certainly won't put words in her mouth for this issue but I can guess that she probably wouldn't offer any anyway since she has no dog in this race. I just know how she feels about stuff like this from many conversations and I doubt she's fond of your choices here. Just an educatef guess about an unrelated party you randomly name dropped to try and get some credability by association to a good friend of mine. The ladt person who tried to use her as an undesired reference got banned from hers and other communities for bothering them with alleged relationships to said communitys and for dragging them into drama that never included them at all. Dont be a walden. Suck up your asshole move here and own it if you are dead to rights on it. Calling in a woman who has no idea about this sonfar most likely is just a lame ass move all around. Lol super lame. Like breaking a deal.
Lol she’s my friend! And sorry not sorry! I won’t waste anymore energy on this
Please do. Please do. Because we have more than screen grabs to support our claims. The more attention you call to this, the better. So I support any posting and trash talking and sharing of links to this post that you feel inclined to do.
Lol #67 witness. And you can’t pay full price for a ticket to Steem Fest you have to settle by badgering my buyer to helping @gmuxx out on a payment plan. You guys are the real deal! Lol can’t even support the Steem Fest conference by buying a Full Price ticket, instead you take a plankton one! And you’re #67 😂😂😂😂😂
I wont speak for the others here but speaking as and for myself alone, the pricing structure of steemfest is a tad bit insanely priced. Im producing an event for an eaely estimate of an expected 1500+ people and thats going to require a large scale venue. And we will comfirm that we have our ticket sale site already set for 150 dollar tickets for all attendees. There is no intention to ever charge more and we are working venue and services negotiations to potentially evenlower that price. I wanted to make it completely free to attend actually but unfortunately all big spaces for rhis cost a lot and even id every dapp and app paid a reasoanable marketing type of sponsorship it wouldnt cover costs for an event of rhis scale for a platfoem wide open event with tradeshow space, speakers and rooms and equipment and such
Steemfest is cool and all but honestly other than to support my speaking teammates i wouldnt choose to go ro poland in spring/winter conditions or to do business really because my project contributions to our team dont really reuire that at this time. So yeah discussing affordability as a deflection of your responsibility to stand by your agreements and uphold them was a nice try that migjt fool a passerby or two but most people thay weball know who will read this know we mostly use our money for in platform projects or charitable efforts or for nearly constant meetups coverage all year long for platform and community specific events, very often supporting others attendance to same events when warranted and feasible.
We are pretty much all four known for our nearly fanatical and zealous generosity of time, money and general support on all the steemt things to thousands of users cumaltively between us across all the communities we frequent, mod or built ourselves.
You oversold a ticket which youve basically accredited to your own mismanagement of a deal made in good faith by thw purchaser, reneged on tje deal out of what basically is being declares long winded varients of "impatience and greed and misrepresented as fear of a buyer to conform to the terms when you made rhe deal without doing much due diligence or reference checks which in turn you cite yourself as confirmations that would have stopped you from failing to uphold your side of an agreement" and thats really the short summary of your position. It is pretty cut and dry.
I for one will conclude that for reasons of muxxes integrity which is widely recognized as baasically impeccable, others have stepped in to assist with this minute hassle you caused for him, which is great for him, not such great optics for you, and cause for me to not ever pursue much business with you had any unforseeable need come up. Which of course as lowly witness 60 something probably wont unless you consider that you also think witnesd 67 should help fund a festival we are merwly attending but not responsible for the exorbitant cost it comes with.
Not sure which seems your comments seem to shift with immediate needs to where we are either some nobody witness or big enough we should assume responsiblity for helping somebody else produce their expensive event. At which some of our members are invited to speak without direct compensation or aid with expenses by the organizer. Unlike the large event being produced BY our team where nonprofit and specialized invited speakers who are just promoting a profit based endeavor or projects volunteering to speak for the benefits afforded by doing so of their own accord will in fact recieve some incentives or reimbursement assistance in reasoable accordance with ticket sales proceeds. If we could make it free and pay all the speakers and be in pro environment and venue, you bet we would. But world class events dont work that way.... And we wont make promises or make deals and offers we cannot deliver on. Thar would be what we call a dick move. Adults dont make offers and deals with any intent other than to deliver on them. Anything less would be dishonorable at least and criminal at most. Both are sucky ways to run your agreements with your customers or clientele. I dount you can find anyone who would disgree with how honor and agreements work.
I was needed elsewhere the embarrassing typing and typos are the results of my being overseas on a crappy mobile connection and moving around and trying to do this at the same time and I'm not going to the back then. If ypu shpw up @grammernazibot or whatever your name is , im sarisfied people can read this they know what it basically says in context.
I didn’t read all of this, no time for it, but if you need assistance on your events with donations or upvotes I’m happy to support them.