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RE: Help Fix Steem's Economy!
I like kevin
kevin thinks my ideas are good
I don't like people who are not kevin
people who are not kevin think my ideas are shit
I like kevin
kevin thinks my ideas are good
I don't like people who are not kevin
people who are not kevin think my ideas are shit
I also don't think your ideas are shit. :)
Do you think mine is?
I would prefer a curve which started as n^2 / exponential (thus flat), and then later changed into linear which would work against self-voting as well as excessive rewards for single posts.
@clayop had a similar idea.
yes I agree
in the other post by kevin we mention that the superlinear part can have a linear tail, which is exactly what we meant
it doesn't even have to be n^2 at the start. It can be even be as simple as just two linear lines joined together, one with a low gradient at the start and after a certain point it's continued by another linear line with a higher gradient. Honestly even something as simple as that will do
of course you'll still need higher curation and downvote incentives. They all have their downsides but the more you use of one measure, the less you'll need of the other measures.
The witnesses hate superlinear of any kind so this is not going to get through for now, but eventually we'll revisit it. Otherwise what's going to stop me from creating hundreds of accounts a month and ninja farming small comments all over the place? You can't downvote what you can't detect in a cost effective way, and any type of superlinear counters this last exploit that I can think of.
I didn't mention it in detail here mostly because I was throwing some jokes around. I should do a more serious write up at some point
That's interesting ... even if I read his post, it seems that I have missed that part (or it was in a further post which I was not aware of).
Anyway, I really appreciate your efforts!
I think it's in there
ctrl f - linear tail, he just mentions it in passing and i remember reading it. We discussed it a lot and a lot of us, apparently you and clayop as well, reach similar conclusions. I'm not too focused about credit etc, there aren't really any rewards for coming up with the most creative or even applicable solutions. Let's just do something reasonable and change this economic system that's a complete failure right now
I don't think anyone thinks your ideas are shit. I think the main issues are just 1. how to achieve consensus on fixes, 2. how to prioritize fixes, 3. when is the appropriate time to shift focus to economic changes (e.g. post-SMT), etc.
"People think focus means saying yes to the thing you've got to focus on. But that's not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully."
Steem was built for content creators. Early ppl from 2016 are now upset since their content is weak. So they think something is broken. Atm most value flows to real solid content creators. These ppl at a few thousand Steem will dominate this place in the future since they only focus on producing content.
They don't have time to complain every single day. They have a solid content strategy. 50% curation would be communism. Curation in many ways is leeching. It will be more automated in the future.
Don't make me laugh.
https://steemit.com/busy/@whatsup/https-steemitimages-com-0x0-https-arcange-eu-steem-images-2018-10-23-levels-en-png-i-love-steem-but-in-2-years-we-have-only
You can deny it all you want. At the moment video is currently what has the highest value. And they get massive value from dtube support. Text has less value by the market place. The chart you linked to is because of how Steem was shared out in 2016. Which means it will take a long time to balance it out. To people that want more Steem.
And where is that coming from? Free stake from Steemit inc, if it wasn't for that dtubers would probably make the same amount vimm streamers make without the generous curation of @thejohalfiles and a few others.
That is true, leverage will always probably come from a few specific powerful sources at the moment
Nobody wants Steem. No company is out there waiting to leverage on it.
https://steemit.com/video/@spectrumecons/7wmi1dqw
Might do you good to know whats actually happening.
"Nobody wants Steem." That is logically incorrect. People are buying and selling Steem every day so that proves you are wrong. "No company is out there waiting to leverage on it." another lie. There are companies at the moment that leverage Steem.
Video still has the highest value. Or do you try to make an argument that video is not the highest value by linking to an article without actually writing your own thoughts. Video is the future. As well as 3D worlds, Virtual Reality Worlds and AR worlds.
No sane person will argue against video being superior.
Writing own thoughts? About what? What's the argument?
It may be strange to you but not everyone entertains pointless screeds just to appear intelligent.
When you say companies are leveraging Steem, I expect an example. Back it up with a link. We don't talk too much here.
I like a lot of what you're saying, and do hope the pendulum is swinging toward quality, but in addition to not being sure that's true, I haven't the faintest idea of what you mean by "50% curation would be communism"
But more to the point, not sure 50% is a fix, since it also wouldn't stop large accounts from upvoting themselves. They'd still get all the rewards, their author rewards, and curation rewards from discovering their own content. And if someone jumped on their content to get more of their rewards, well, they'd get those author rewards, and still part of the curation, too.
Someone correct my math if you think it's wrong.
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Have been on Steemit for about 18 months... what little I know is that Both You & @KevinWong are very smart.
Thank You @Trafalgar 4 writing this straight-forward, simple to understand Post.
Cheers !!
hi, @trafalgar,
We are the Steem witness currently active on Latam, we are maintaining a big community (Comunidad Latina) and a lot of tools such Cotify,
Our community and Latam users in general still is growing and we want to reach the TOP 20 in order to provide a better support to them.
Could be a way to receive your support by voting our witness (@cotina) and help us to achieve that goal?