50 STEEM bounty for explaing basic Steem stuff to @the-resistance.
In response to the suggestion in this post : https://steemit.com/the-resistance/@the-resistance/grumpycat-weekly-report-thursday-05-april-2018
I have set a 50 STEEM bounty for the best explanations of the difference in term of brain-time cost, voting power cost and and results between flagging the wrong doers instead up-voting the non-wrong doers when only micro fraction are wrong does.
Bonus points if able to explain Grumpy-compliance in simpler terms and why it's not always possible to influence vote sellers behavior by flagging them directly.
Maybe if initial messaging and approach was less aggressive there would be less drama and goals would be reached? Not sure. But here is the new revised message.
But instead he decides to be a self imposed bully vigilante who is driving his own stake to the floor with his moronic counterproductive behavior, but I bet he feels like a really big man, in the middle of his poor, lonely life.
yeah, all the people supporting him here don't know that just this week, chumpyass flagged a widow, a zero day newbie in introduce yourself, and stole from a charity that feeds orphans and disadvantaged people around the world.
But all hail to the playground bully asshole chumpycat with the unimaginative stolen trademark for a name. Pathetic little piece of feces that he is.
about the widow - How would he know that she is a widow? For him she is a bidbot user.
Authentic zero day newbies do not use bidbots, and there is an even smaller chance for them to use bidbots that he prohibits.
On your charity post - You used the charity account to flag him.
That's exactly the point. Grumpycat doesn't know who he was downvoting. Maybe to some, bidding to bots is just for promoting their posts, but for most minnows, our main purpose is to profit because we need it personally. Not everyone knows his rules. He might have posted about his own rules many times, but not all of us are his followers. Most people here dont know. It would be acceptable if he would give a warning first, than downvoting someone right away. That's harsh and unfair.
Agree with all that you wrote.
I oppose grumpycat's rules.
Spammers should be punished in the most extreme measures possible, but bidbots should not be limited to less than 6 days.
Even if I thought they should be limited, I would not have acted in a similar way, and would not have downvoted good posts just to apply indirect pressure on bidbot owners while victimizing good content creators.
If anything he wastes VP that could be used to fight scammers and spammers.
This rule is not any better than a prohibition of self votes.
I do not agree with him, I just had answers for sircork.
Regarding a warning first, my remark for you is it will require grumpycat to implement a database for warned users.
Doable, but it costs.
If he can make a 'Congratulations, you're a winner!' comment, then downvote, he can simply change it to a 'Warning'. But if a person is close-minded, no matter how understandable a proposal is, he can't accept it.😞
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How are you profiting from bid bots? Please explain your math to me, because I've tried to change 1s into 2s and it still isn't profitable at all
I bid in off-peak hours. Dawn here in Saudi. I patiently wait for the right timing. I don't profit much, because mostly I only bid cents. But I have tried my highest bid to 4steem. There are times I get less.. So it is still a gamble. The latest I bid was 2sbd and the bot gave me $3.98, minus the curation reward. It's just so little profit, but every single cent counts for me these days so I still call it a profit.
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Exactly!I just wrote a very time consuming post and included an image that took me hours to produce! Very harsh and unfair, considering I did not send hundreds of SBD - only my meagre 2,5 SBD to help promote my post the way I SAW FIT!
What hurts me more is even though we are angry and been telling him what we feel, we won't win over a person who intends to be deaf and blind with all our protests.
Indeed I did, because I used all my accounts to flag him, but it was only a matter of "theater" given that he and his sock-puppets have around 300K in their combined wallets, not too many users can touch that in terms of damaging him. It was simply a protest flag. Since he has been robbing the charity posts of many users raising funds for @YouAreHOPE
Regardless of what I did. Any of you supporting the idea of self-elected bullies on this platform, and abiding by his arbitrary, hypocritical rules, don't really have to much going on in the way of critical thinking skills, in my humble opinion.
"Authentic zero day newbies do not use bidbots, and there is an even smaller chance for them to use bidbots that he prohibits."
Gotta agree with this observation. Sock-puppet, like Movietrailers is of ContentJunkie.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/a-look-at-transparency-and-hiding-beneath-the-surface
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It's possible. There might be newbies who were already taught by those who invited them here to use bidbots. So maybe after making their first post, a friend sponsored a bot to boost his post or donated a few sbd to him to try bidding. That's just my opinion.😉
True, but highly unlikely.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/a-look-at-transparency-and-hiding-beneath-the-surface
There have been cases where others have promoted the post, without the original authors knowledge, as they have seen it as a worthwhile project to support.
I'm not against the grumpycats system, but in these cases clearly it isn't perfect.
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I am new, so I do not fully understand the history of how bit-bots managed to become such a detriment to the community, but your comments are on target - individual steemians also have the power to downvote posts or rule-abusers until a better compromise is reached. @fcpway
lol that is not what the revised message said.
Lol.
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@geekgirl, I love this.
I made a post about it describing in length within the video, but here is the outline:
Politics on SteemIt
a. Who are politicians/Policy Actors?
b. What constitutes politics?
c. How Politics Works.
@GrumpyCat's Politics
a. Shitposting
b. Bidbot abuse
c. GrumpyCompliance
Why GrumpyCompliance Works
a. Bidbots are businesses: Profit Driven
b. No way to attack businesses without attacking revenue stream (i.e. YouTube Ad Boycotts)
c. Proven Effectiveness
Dispelling Rumors
a. Grumpy Cat is Promoting Own Bid Bot
b. Grumpy Cat is "Stealing"
c. Grumpy Cat is not a bully
Wrap-Up
a. Grumpy is not a bully, stealing profit motivated anon bernie.
b. Grumpy aims to improve the steemit community.
c. If you have been flagged, you aren't a "victim", you are a policy actor.
https://steemit.com/grumpycat/@jpolitical96/why-upvoting-randos-won-t-help-bid-bot-abuse
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A bounty of 50.000 STEEM has been set on this post by @madpuppy! You can read how they work here.
Obviously
You spend an awful lot of time on "when only micro fraction are wrong does"
Feel like an idiot yet? Because you look like one to everyone else.
this is great :)
what is great?, did you even read the post? :)
I can't speak for the person above however I, personally, thought it was great.... primarily because we have two opposing ideas..... and it's obviously causing people to talk. I look at it as a positive. I could be very wrong however. I am new and am still learning. I any case I hope you have a great day. All my love to you and all of yours.
Comments like yours is what make this a great place to be!
I think you are right on this :)
Thinking differently is essential to our evolution, also share and care for others :)
There is many to be learn, i am also new and constantly learning :)
Thank you for your comment, nice from your part!
Thank you very much!
hugs and blessings!
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Humans enjoy positives things
A downvote is negative
A downvote war spiral is negative for steem
If you don't like the trending page, scroll. Go on another page.
People risked their life to cross the Berlin wall.
They cross all Africa without a penny to escape abusive powers.
They cross the Mediterranean sea to escape their country's nocive control.
People want to escape tyranny.
We don't want people to escape steem
We don't want your dominance @grumpycat
You don't answer yourself to @the-resistance.
You have to pay others to come with an answer.
Don't you have any argument you could expose us by yourself? That seems an emotional-backed behavior, rather than a rational judgment.
Spread love ❤️ not flags ☣️
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Since the main approach seems to be to stop the draining of the reward pool by people using voting-bots for pure profit instead of getting visibility (the noble use-case for votebots in the eyes of many), upvoting the ones who don't use them is not helping the problem in any way.
Flagging those who use bid-bots solely to drain the reward pool will give money back into the reward pool. Rewarding others for not using the bots will not put money back it the reward pool - but even take more money out of it.
Rewarding others will also not stop the abusers! - Why would it? I won't stop robbing a bank just because the bank starts to give money to homeless who beg for it as well.
Of course it also takes way more brain-power to manually curate good content than to flag the use of abusive stuff following a simple but effective script. And it's also more fair - the script most likely works on a random basis - manual curation would be biased by Grumpie's personal opinion.
Summed up, I think the proposal to upvote others is completely useless for accomplishing what @grumpycat wants to accomplish. Giving away money to some non-criminals will also not stop thieves from stealing in the real world. Why would it?
In the end, upvoting others instead of flagging would even have the reverse effect since more people would be using the abuse-usable-services again if they don't fear the flaggs.
Neglecting the abusers will only increase the amount of spam and trash here. As if there was any scarcity of abusers that to neglect them and let them freely abuse the system, thus motivating more and more people to join abusers as there will be no action against them.
It will lead to total chaos.
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Wait...there's an xxxbot?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂# THAT'S FUNNY!!! #
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I honestly thought this was over. Why is this not over?
Okay i will give it a shot.
Brain-time cost: @grumpycat is too lazy to be nice.
Voting power cost: @grumpycat spends a lot of time measuring his downvotes in order to give him the best selfvotes. He likes masturbating in public.
Results: He is right in that people remember punishment more than nourishment. His current flag campaign would end if bots were set to reject posts after 3.5 days. As there would be no infractions. Except he wont be satisfied with that. Why? Clearly @grumpycat is very bored and lonely not to mention a work aholic? Idk.
Heres my idea/solution: ;)
Give me your delegation. I will try out the positive rewards campaign and send you 80% of the curation profits. I will upvote 10 posts per day of verified and active users. This will most likely include many of the people you flagged. If you give me a weekly theme i will uovote as per your theme and send you your cut at the end of every week. Or, you can setup a proxy and i will upvote through posting keys and not handle money at all. If you appreciate my efforts, you can reward me. Test it for a month. See if bidbot misuse goes down.
Otherwise, be a good kitty wont you?
this is fking awesome! :D
Indeed I hope this war will be over one day. Love this Pic, nice work :)
For the first time since I met you, I have to salute you. Well said, Lima.
Would read again.
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Bahaaaa thanks @steem-bounty ! Lol lemme take thst to the bank 😂
Finally @grumpycat did something great!! Good work @grumpycat. Gc followed the whole report and look he started a bounty, rewarding users.
Amazing work #Resist, finally Gc complied with Resist bounty proposal. Nice work everyone at Resist. Nice work @grumpycat. Good to see that every side is using their intelligence and bringing a change. Hats off to you @grumpycat!!
Love
You...uh...don't know wtf is going on here, do you?
After reading the post, I came to know that how good this cat is. Many bid bots owner complied with grump policy but first time I saw that cat is complying with a bounty proposals. So it's nice to see that big user like grumpy cat actually hears the thoughts of small minnows with practical approach. That's why I love steemit. That's all I know @lexiconical
He knows. He's actually pretty smart, and very very fucking funny at making solid memes or as you know I prefer to call them steemes. :D
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