Double-Blind Violins: Towards A More Objective Selection

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You don't have a soul.
You are a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis.


Laurie Niles, John Soloninka, and Ariane Todes each give their impressions and interpretations of what happened that day in Indianapolis, Indiana. During the Eighth International Violin Competition of Indianapolis (IVCI) year 2010, a group of 21 people were selected and assembled for their musical proficiency as judges to choose from a selection of violins in a double blind performance.

6 violins were used: 2 ‘Stradivari’, 1 ‘del Gesu’ (300 years-old instruments); and 3 modern violins.

The players' preferences and ability to identify modern vs old-master piece instruments were tested. The conditions for the double-blind study were quite reasonable -Tricking the players to avoid recognition by anything different than sound, the same for performers and researchers- as the analysis of the data.1 The study performed by Claudia Fritz and Joseph Curtin, published in PNAS. Showed that expert performers and listeners could not reliably differentiate masterpiece violins -at least no better than a coin toss- from modern violins made by good luthiers. Also that their preference in sound differed from what they expected.

Results: 2

  • The most-preferred violin was new.
  • The least-preferred was by Stradivari.
  • There was low correlation between instrument age and monetary value, and perceived quality.
  • Most players couldn't tell whether the instrument they preferred was new or old.
  • 13 of the 21 violinists preferred the new violins. Only eight subjects chose an old violin to take home.
  • The violinists could not reliably identify which instruments were old and which were new
  • The study revealed that there was no statistical correlation between the age of an instrument and whether participants preferred it in the head-to-head competition.

Of course, there was a lot of criticism about this experiment by musicians which claimed it was unfair and misleading. Some other didn't seem quite surprised about it and some even laughed at the idea3. After all, the ‘Stradivari’ and ‘del Gesu’violins are valued in the tens of millions of dollars each. World class musicians borrow them just to part with them after a few months of practice and some spend lifetime fortunes to keep them.

As a follow up, some violin soloists felt confident in their skills, and contacted the researchers in order to try a more organic test to address some of the criticism. The performance came as a shock to the participants as the data confirmed the previous study and offered even more insights

Video Documentary: Soloists try to challenge the previous study results

The results are consistent with the initial study.4

Soloist evaluations of six Old Italian and six new violins

[Summary figures of second study oi: 10.1073/pnas.1323367111]

The four figures of the second test can be summarized like this: after a more fair protocol selection tested rated by soloists at each point of the test -that included rehearsals and live performance, - they could define favorites and distinguish their preference among the other violins nonetheless, they could not differentiate an old from a new violin better than chance. The qualities for selection of a violin are fastidious and empiric evidence doesn't support intrinsic qualities to the masterpieces. If anything there were performance advantages to modern players with modern violins

This means that modern performers can acquire an excellent sounding violin for cheaper than millions of dollars, without taking any merit away from the old masterpieces. A question that arises is how cheap.

Most modern master luthiers spend months even years working on a single violin. So even these violins by a good artisan are in the range of the tens of thousands of dollars. Good ol' science loves helping a cheapo. So multiple engineers and scientists started to wonder the underlying principles of the musical alchemy. With physics.

Scientists are not to fond of excuses. So when examining a Violin they want to know how much is essential and what is merely decorative.

Violin



[Byzantine Lyra 9th century AD. Wiki Commons]

The production of sound by friction against a stretched string is a known fairly old phenomenon. First, the string was used on a flat surface, that later becomes concave to project the sound and later evolves into a box with an aperture. Is highly reminiscent of the cup-like evolution of the eye.





[Parts of a violin elcoda]

The viols were originally played in small rooms, so loudness was never a problem. As the instruments advanced and became part of public performance the interest in a louder sound started.



Sound is a longitudinal compression wave. This means it requires the alteration of a medium to propagate in the same sense -opposite or equal direction-. In the case of air, you normally get the desired frequencies and intensity by using an object that vibrates, roughly the same size of the wavelength of the frequencies you want to transmit. Strings are quite small, thus the energy they can transmit to their surrounding medium is small. A lot of energy is not transformed to sound and needs a way to be redirected through something that can create this effect and displace air. It needs energy amplification and efficiency, something like the principle of feathers -light objects attached to a rigid structure to displace more air-.

[oscilatory response specific to frequency Drawing Patents]

The interior of the violin is full of asymmetries. This is intentional. Construction of the soundboard -top of the violin- The back and cover of the violin are carved manually out from a solid piece of wood. Adjusting the internal thickness using carefully crafted calipers. The bar bass and the patterns of carving give the cellulose strand nature tone specificity for amplification.


The strings are attached with different degrees of tension at the extremes of the violin. Once the string vibrates, the energy is transmited Violin box from the strings laterally to the bridge. Through the treble feet energy is distributed and relayed mainly by the sound post. How fast this energy is transmited depends on the force(F) required to create that displacement(Y), know as impedance (F/y)5.

The strings have an impedance, so does the bridge and the body. If the impedance of two objects is different it flows across the joint slowly, if it's equal it ignores the energy flows ignoring the joint. As the impedance of the strings is low, the strings require heavy strings and a light body to get the impedance close to matching. You want a matched matched low impedance amplifier .

String G D A E
Frequency 196 Hz 294 Hz 440 Hz 660 Hz
Tension6 ≈4kg ≈4kg ≈5kg ≈8kg

The down beaming that occurs in the bridge at an angle of ≈25°means the bridge -a small and light piece of wood of about 3mm thickness- requires to support close to 10kg of force. Thus one of the main reasons for the curve like structure of the violin is to give strength. Even the curved shape of the sound holes aids in this task.7

New look at materials: Carbon Fiber and ... Balsa?

Modulus over density materials for violin construction

[C, Young's modulus over density log chart of materials. source]

The above diagram shows the logarithmic distribution of two properties in most existing materials. Density (ρ) that measures volume and the youngs modulus (E), that gives you a measure of how stiff -and thus the energy required to make it bend- is a material. Inside the curved sets are the families of materials. For instance, at the extreme top, you can see diamonds is the stiffest material and foams and cork as the other extreme.8 The diagonal lines (slopes) in the logarithmic scale show the equivalent ratio of properties from one material to another. I've highlighted with red the ideal ratio for a loud violin with minimum weight Youngs modulus over density any violin constructed of materials in that line would be equally loud and the more to the left it is, the louder it will be.9

Spruce eletron microscopy

[electron micrograph of spruce structure CIRMMT lecutres]

Wood is a marvelous cheap, versatile, advanced biopolymer nanomaterial that happens to grow on trees. The reason it appears twice in the graphic depending on the orientation of its cellulose fibers. Modern soundboards are made out of spruce.10 One of the reasons one would suspect balsa, that outperforms spruce in emission and radiance was not used to make violins by old master luthiers is because it was not available. Is a wood of the new world and didn't arrive in Europe till the 18th century and by then the art was set -after all, people till this day try to imitate the Cremona 18th century luthiers-.

frequency carachteristics of violins

[Frequency response in Violins Joseph Curtin]

A good amplifier should emit a sound with flat frequency response. The problem is that people enjoy degrees of noise and are used by statistical experience to enjoy some sound profiles above others. Some of them are psychoacoustic in nature as I described in my post on Gastrophysics and some of them are secondary to individual variation.11

Balsa violin

[Dough Martin NY times]

The green line in the modulus-density log chart, shows that out of existent materials, balsa should be the loudest. Balsa is said to be too fragile, despite it being structurally strong enough according to physics. Some people have started to experiment with the material like Dough Martin portrayed in the picture with great results. Although the musical luthier's community is not happy with the sound and material. Despite -Here it comes- some of them liking the sound during double-blind test performance.

Even if one were to consider the durability of balsa as a problem, is an engineering problem that composite materials and ingenuity can overcome also a problem that some Cello makers don't have, as their experimentation with balsa and the room for more weight distribution attests.12

Dough Martin playing the balsa Violin

Great appearent projection, microphone specs for recording unknown



A little to the right of the log chart we have materials like carbon fiber (CFRP) that have far more durability and less prone to changes in sound due to environment conditions. Of course most luthiers and musicians hate it, despite some of them winning single-blind tests like the Deutschen Musikinstrumentenpreis (German Music Instrument Awards)13


Systems of review face an almost paradoxical two-faced problem: How do you judge the quality of something, and at the same time how do you innovate?

Normally you use peer review systems.

Zombie Ideas

As technology advances, some previous judging systems and judges become obsolete. This creates a system where incentives to remain relevant breed biased selection and cheating. A problem with incentives in a zero-sum game is that people are gonna try to game the system. Always.

Professional expert investigation -particularly in science- is usually funded by grants. This means there's a pool of money that must be divided among everyone to fund research that will advance humanity. Problem is everyone thinks their research is important and will advance humanity.

My next post will deal with this. "Forensic approach to cheaters" see you next time.


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Very good article! Musicians and objectivity are not two things often seen together!

Great post, @ertwro. I just finished watching the video of the violin comparison. Very interesting. There is no doubt that there are some very fine modern instruments being made.

My father is a violin expert. He has a little shop where he restores and sells beautiful fiddles. We have seen all sorts of instruments over the years. When my father has a client that needs to compare instruments he calls me to come over and play while they listen :) Always fun.

Every fiddle has its own unique voice. That is not just talk, they are all unique. I have played hundreds of violins in my life, from cheap Chinese to Stradivari and they all have their own sound. It is lovely to pick up an old rough looking violin and hear a lovely sound. It was only a couple of weeks ago my father asked me to try a fiddle that looked like it had been ridden hard and put away wet. The pegs were obviously carved with a pocket knife :) The sound was lovely. It was NOT loud, but it had a nice little voice. It was the kind of instrument that I could play quietly in a room by myself. The instruments shown in the video were concert hall instrument with gigantic voices. These can cut through an entire orchestra at full volume. Most of us mortals don't need that anyway :)

My fiddle is an 1807 Borelli. I have had it since 1992 and love it. It is dark and have a nice even town across the whole range. (You can hear it on all my Steemit videos) My fathers fiddle is anonymous and he has had it for decades. It is bright and sweet. He loves it :) We also have a 3/4 sized Gagliano from this mid-1700s I believe. It is very used, but sounds fantastic for a 3/4. There is an old Amati somewhere at the house as well along with some lovely anonymous fiddles. We have not had many modern instruments as they are tough to come by, oddly enough. The good modern instruments are usually rarely out on the market. They are snatched up and used day after day. Older stuff tends to be more available.

Great post. I'd love to see more like this :)
Thanks,
Bucky

Playing a new violin is always like meeting a new person. Some are old and some are young, some are rich and some in the rags. Some have horrible personalities and some are a match for us but not for the rest.

Even if modern some instruments are good I can't help but want one with history.

Checked some of your content, is great having more people like you here.

Wow what a great explanation. Thanks for this :)

You are welcome. I did my best with this one. ☺

Indeed you did. :)

Wow! You outdid yourself this time Juan. How do you change the position of the images and the videos? That is beautiful. Did you finished your violin. The one you were making?

Boop. Boop.

The subject is great, the treatment shows effort, the text has clickable superscripts, and I learned something! What more could one ask!

Profesional expert investigation -science particularly science-

There's an extra word somewhere in there! Or a missing comma? Actually, a missing letter s too. The more I look the more troubling it gets...

Looking forward to the forensics!

Thanks, man. Corrected. My Grammarly proofreader is acting out. Glad you enjoyed.

That is an interesting article mate. I am glad I didn't have to flag it for #thunderdome purposes. :)

I am looking forward to the next one too.

Just you wait, I'll make it super hard to flag.

That is a seriously great research you did there about violins.
You reminded me of a movie called "The Red Violin", if you haven't seen it, and even if you're not personally fond of violins, I think you'll enjoy it.
Thumbs up again bro

Yeah, I know the movie. It features the music of one of my favorite soloists, Joshua Bell. His solo performance in the soundtrack even won an Oscar for it. It's a good movie.

I am really amazed by these blind tests. Professionals should get a feeling of all of this... they should... and they actually don't. That chocked me a little bit.

Very nice post by the way, also on the violin 101 part and the new technology part :)

The more devoid of critical thinking and appealing to expertise on a particular field, the more one should expect conflicts of interests will be a problem to innovation and truth.

I mean, I'm not 100% happy with the idea of machines making me obsolete, but such is technology.

Thanks for passing by to read :)

What do you mean by "machines"? Are you referring to machine-driven selection tests? I am a bit lost within our current context :)

Anyways. Machines are not making us obsolete. They will change our way of making things instead, I guess.

I mean Oracle systems. One probable consequence of double-blind tests effectiveness, if it were to become an extended practice, is automation of the process. This entails a lot of problems:

  1. Creating markets in sectors like science research
  2. Lowering the criteria for skill level of the judges
  3. Black box results

I will explain this in depth in my next post. "A forensic approach to cheaters."

Thanks for the clarifications. I am looking forward to read the next post.

Concerning item 1, I guess we are already there, unfortunately :(

Excellent article. I was thinking that many of the ideas here apply equally well to the manufacture of acoustic guitars. I have been toying around with the idea of taking the instrument up (mostly to play classical music), but I'm not sure how to find a good, reputable luthier--and how much I would have to spend to get a nice instrument. So I'm still looking.

Yeah, the principles are the same. It does depend on your level of skill, for most cases a classical guitar for $5k to $10k is the norm.

If only for occasional use $1k. About the luthier check in google a place close to and the luthier will orientate you. Of course, italian and Spanish instruments have the best reputation but most of the time one is merely overpaying for it.

Awesome, my brother is building guitars and I'm tuning piano's. Here you can see also an older version where I tuned to 416Hz.

But there's a very important thing being overlooked maybe; tuning! I tune to 432hz and I love it. I have been looking for years no for satisfying scientific explanations but I haven't found any.
I'm not sure there has been a double blind study done on 432Hz but you can also listen to violins tuned to 432Hz and they sound amazing to me. Much better than those in the studies.

Maybe one that suggested birds use this pitch as an anchor but it was just a one shot.

Nice, 432 Hz is one of the secrets. :)

I thought Stradivarius was meant to be played tuned to 432Hz...

Oh, it very well could be, I don't know much about those instruments. I meant that's how most instruments were tuned, before the 40s when several countries agreed on the 440 Hz standard, which isn't divisible by 3, in other words, 432 Hz allows for more harmonies.

440 Hz is more dissonant, and causes us to be more warlike, hence the 20th century.

You can modulate music tuned to 440 Hz to 432 Hz, and it sounds nicer. I know of several musicians who write 432 Hz music, Brian T. Collins being one of them. Also the songs "Three Little Birds" and "One Love" by Bob Marley, and "Imagine" by John Lennon, used the 432 Hz tuning as well.

Thanks, I know Brain Collins' work, I like it.

However Imagine is not in 432Hz!

Hmm. That's what I read a few years back. I don't have an ear for it unfortunately.

Most of us can't hear it but we can feel it...

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