Payouts Over $50 vs. Flags Applied (Feb. 18-24)
I tried to show the issue before, but with less data, and that may not have been enough for people to understand the issue. Here is more data for you to understand the problem going on with the self-appointed reward-police:
Payouts Above $50
Smooth's Flags
* not that these payouts on flags were higher before, you can estimate about 50% more on each about priot to it being flagged.
Payouts Above $50 with No Flags from Smooth
Flagged Posts vs. $50+ Payouts with No Flags from smooth
Maybe you didn't realize this problem existed before, but maybe you can see it now with the data?
As I have said, there are posts that are above the amounts of other posts that smooth decided were "overrewarded". So higher reward posts get a pass for some reason, while lower rewarded posts don't and get flagged. It's irrational, inconsistent, and will not work to "fairly" redistribute the rewards when "rewards are blown up out disproportionately, staving out many other posts". All the higher payout posts starve the lower payout posts. Flagging some posts but not others is not going to correct the quoted issue of some people getting more rewards than others...
Doing this flagging reward-police behavior to some, and not all, is like giving out tickets for some people going 50mph, while not giving tickets out for those who are going at higher speeds such as 100mph. There is no consistency. It's not right. Police giving out tickets this way are called corrupt.
Did you notice ats-david had enormous payouts for 2 days, posts at $175 and $216 for author payout. On the posts the reward is shown as $184 and $227 respectively, which is $411 for two posts in two days, and they were both on the top of trending for a period, at #1 and #2 trending spots.
Where was smooth's flag there? Oops... he didn't flag it because he's a voter on the post at $184. But that's not overrewarded... no... no... So much for the reward-police being honest, consistent and rationally dealing with the problem of "rewards are blown up out disproportionately, staving out many other posts"...
See the problem yet? Hello?
Some people don't see what's going, or don't want to see what's going on, and don't want to go verify my data I had originally put out, and then try to make me into the bad guy for calling this mess out...
Please also consider supporting me as a Steem Witness by voting for me at the bottom of the Witness page; or just click on the upvote button if I am in the top 50:
2017-02-27, 12:01pm
I'm not sure what everyone's obsession with me is over the last few days, but I can tell you why these posts received the payouts that they received.
The post about the hard fork was pretty well-received by the community, particularly with witnesses. It actually had some pretty widespread support from a variety of whales who frequently disagree on plenty of issues. The post also garnered well over 700 views and over 130 comments, so it appears that it was quite popular and engaging with the community, hence, the upvotes that reflected this.
As far as @smooth's vote is concerned - he gave a 10% upvote on it, if I'm not mistaken. The bulk of the rewards actually came from @blocktrades, who happens to be the the largest whale on the platform the last time I checked.
The post for NASCAR was the inaugural post for that contest and is part of the overall development project for a fantasy sports platform that will be built on the STEEM blockchain. It's essentially no different than any other development projects that receive upvotes from many whales, such as busy.org and the esteem app. If users feel that these will add value to STEEM/Steemit, then they tend to willingly support them. I can only imagine that @smooth believes that a fantasy sports platform will be a great benefit for STEEM, and in turn, all of its users and investors.
It should also be noted that @blocktrades is an open supporter of these contests (which are to be used as test cases/experiments for games and also return rewards for those who engage with them and can offer feedback) and is one of the main exchange platforms that can be used to deposit and withdraw money into the STEEM ecosystem. Obviously, building a platform on top of the STEEM blockchain is of great interest to him, so as the largest stakeholder of STEEM by individual accounts, he has taken an active role in supporting the contests and development and is one of the main reasons that the payouts are what they are.
And quite frankly, the payouts on my sports contest posts - which actually have more utility for users than simple announcement posts - are typically much lower than other project announcements and updates, which commonly see $250 - $1000 payouts, even at the recent low prices. The fact of the matter is - I don't receive the blessings of Steemit, Inc. for my projects/posts, so they don't reach those levels. Yet I don't see you harping on those other users/developers about their payouts.
You don't like sports. I get it. You've made that known and you've also made it known that you believe your content and ideas are far superior to everyone else on the platform. And that's great. Be proud of your work. But don't forget that your opinion of value is yours and that it is subjective. As someone who seems to be generally opposed to sports and sports content, you are pretty much in the minority of the global population. Sports is a huge market, both online and offline.
If you want your STEEM to be worth more - and in turn, your post payouts - you're going to need to accept that a large influx of users of STEEM/Steemit is what's needed, and with that large influx of users, your content will likely return closer to where it is in the normal marketplace of internet users. The general population - based on what I've observed over the course of my life - isn't interested in a lot of what you post. You can carve out your own niche, but understand that it will be a niche. Continually pointing out that other people are using their own accounts how they see fit and complaining that you're being mistreated by such users isn't going to change the reality of the marketplace.
So, you can either continue building your brand - with the blessings of Steemit, Inc. - or you can continue trying to browbeat everyone into believing that you ought to be receiving the payouts that you think you deserve. They will either agree or they won't agree, but post after post about how stupid and indifferent everyone is or about how evil and rigged the system is, likely won't score too many points with reasonable people.
And if you continue to personally attack other users, you can probably expect to receive more of the same treatment that obviously gets under your skin. Personally, I find it amusing that the most rewarded user on the platform over the span of at least two months - and earning well over double my rewards over the same period - thinks that I'm earning too much from my posts.
http://steemwhales.com/trending/?d=60
You really need to take a hard look at your own behavior and the market that you're trying to reach. That's the only advice that I'm going to give you and if personal attacks are going to continue to be your M.O., then don't expect me and others to just continue to play along. If you have a legitimate grievance, then use some of that rationality and superb consciousness that you always write about and work through these things like an adult.
No response, @krnel? I take the time to address some of your concerns and you don't have the decency to respond? Yet, you're OK with flagging my post for being "over-rewarded?"
I could have sworn that you wrote something this past week about integrity and hypocrisy...
He doesn't respond to us peasants, @ats-david. He's on a higher intellectual stratosphere.
I don't think it is right that you have been attacked and singled out. You do not control who/what is voted for. I do believe @krnel is voicing some legitimate grievances for more than just himself, but I am uncertain why they keep targeting you as you have not actually been performing the things they have a grievance with.
Thanks for declining payout on this.
I'd say the same thing to you that I'd say to anybody taking a side in the recent flag/curation/voting/reward war: everything is about to change with the new reward curve coming out in HF17. We'll have a whole new set of arguments and battles to fight once the new system is in place.
We'll also have the possibility of paid curation guilds, which will give a whole new set of people reason to be angry.
Thanks, I hope the changes affect positive change towards the power imbalance that has been around since the beginning.
Check out the follow up post where I talk about about the concentration of power being the crux of the issue.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@krnel/community-decisions-to-establish-rules-vs-it-s-in-the-code-law-and-the-battle-for-decentralization
Thanks for the feedback.
Hey its like we didn't have it bad enough already :D
That is a real issue, you should take it to the admins if possible, people shouldn't be able to abuse the flagging system to attack other peoples' blogs.
There are no admins lol. The community needs to be the admins.
The community has no power. Whales have power.
You say whales should behave differently.
I say whales should have same upvoting/flagging power of everyone else. Then nobody would care what they do.
Indeed, I talk about that in my next post coming up.
but that would disregard any reason to become "Big & Strong" why would you "Invest" and help if your just another joe, in truth that is how it is, but having people stand out for their character is a way to make a better system. Earning should be based around values, that way the most "decorated" would be the ones most valuable to the community, that have contributed the biggest value. What would be the point, why be brave and different, take the blame and the responsibility, if nobody cares.
I can't see a quick fix and there shouldn't be one.
This is a important topic. Very important since it hangs lots of problems on the line.
If Steem Power acted just like a multiplier for rewards of your own posts, that would be a reason to stay big & strong (and to became big, you'll have to be active member). I would have nothing against this.
If Steem Power is just a way to create an oligarchy (whales) from a decentralized platform, it makes no sense to me. A user with more SP is not smarter or better at judging content than other users, and vice versa.
If you really like how Steem works (rules) you really can't complain with whales behavior.
upvote for visibility and a discussion.
Sho, that's hectic. Didn't realize that it was that bad! Thank you so much!
I agree that the logic being used makes little to no sense. Upvoted for holding a valid point. Hopefully this reaches people and they get the message.
I appreciate you taking the time to actually report the pattern on a larger scale... takes this out of the realm of "I got a ticket for going 50, WTF?" and hearing a lot of people jabber about having similar experience... and actually having facts to look at.
I haven't been on this site long enough to make informed statements about what may (or may not) be "too much" as a reward for a post, but I do value consistency in terms of whatever metric gets applied.
Thank you for the real data. I think it might help people see the patterns as well.
This voting trail vs. that voting trail.
Welcome. What do you mean by voting trail?
You know my opinion @krnel which makes me a weak character in your mindset "I want positivity here and whatever concerns anyone should be discussed behind curtains and is in my opinion nothing for public profiles."
And to remind you I loved most of your posts before this discussion started!
I have only one question - no hang on two questions.
Even it is Social Media - can we not try to create an open table discussion via zoom video conference or similar tools and agree something that benefits everyone and redirects negative vibes away from the platform?
I agree but this has been going on since the inception of the platform, at least for half a year since that is how long I was here. I'm hoping for a resolution so even if I agree with your point and I do, it's already past the gates, it was in the hands of the whales to take responsibility for their votes and they disregarded that. They seem to think that the system is at fault and it's not their problem, so the system takes the blame for everyone.
A resolution will be tough to get and nobody will back out. I do think that they won't care for this post tho. Just a guess. back to your points, open discussions have been going on for quite a while, this topic re-surges every month or so, the problem is that it's all up to the "people" and smooth and bernie don't mind being questioned since their power makes them immune to what others think. They are sorry to flag you, but they do, so not really. I agree we all have different standards, but having such a disregard for other people is damaging to see.
Would it be better to be kept hush hush and resolved, probably so, but it hasn't to this point, so I can't judge krnel any longer for trying to hold people accountable for their actions. Insert spiderman quote :D
I agree that it is getting very negative here lately. It is draining emotionally.
I have been flagged unfairly too (by transisto), so I understand the hurt. I had never made it to trending before (been here since August) and the first time I did he flagged me with his million steem account. And then flagged the very next post too.
But the approach that I have taken is to shrug it off as best as I can,
and to realize that for right now at least Steem is the Wild West with no Sheriff and no Court house.
Any bandit can rob you at any time they want and you have to accept it.
I don't like it, but I have decided to accept it and stay involved in Steemit.
Either the developers change it or they don't. Like you said, it is good to push the developers for a change but not constantly in such a public manner. The constant complaining isn't going to change jerks into compassionate people. And they aren't breaking any rules. The developers set the rules and that's the way that it is right now. Steemit is NOT FAIR and expecting it to be fair creates more drama than I care for.
I'll be thrilled if the developers change this in the future. But everyone must decide for themselves if they want to be here on Steemit or not.
@transisto has flagged me too on multiple occasions. No big deal.
You do realize that he invested HUGE (seriously huge) sums of cash into the platform. In my opinion this gives him the right to up/down vote however he sees fit to push steemit in the direction he chooses. Again, not a big deal but if it is to you, BUY your stake in the platform.
I suppose that's true, mynameisbrian. I could have made a case for why I did not consider it fair, but since he transisto does not leave comments when he flags there is no way to do that. Which is a big part of the frustration. He may not have considered that I had never been in trending before, after consistently putting out articles that take lots of effort since August and that many people have said they appreciate and like. If if needed to be chastised by a flag, you would think that an explanation would be in order so that I might know what the poor behaviour is supposed to be or why my posts are never on a rare occasion entitled to be in the trending category.
But like I've said, I've decided to shrug it off and hope that the system changes. I talked about it only because others are talking about it, but the sting has past.
If Steemit developers truly think that this type of flagging on whims if you have invested big bucks is what is good for Steemit, than so be it. It's their company and I can decide to stay or not.
It would be nice though if each flag was accompanied by a reason, maybe a list of reasons, and maybe a spot to respond with info that the flagger may not have considered or known.
Also, I've toughened up I suppose because some people consider my posts to be controversial and have flagged me before over simple disagreement with what I'm writing about. They were usually minnows and a couple of times dolphins, so the money wasn't the issue but just the feeling of being slapped in the face for respectfully asking people to consider something that they would rather completely censor.
I respect the flaggers who at least explain themselves.
I usually answer anyone asking why they got flagged, I don't need too and often they reason is not well received. I've read you message by pure luck, Next time reply to one of my comment or writte at anytime my name as @Transisto and I should receive a notification.
Good suggestion that you've had to provide a field to explain the downvote, I'm currently writing a post with listing my guidelines for up/downvotes. For me a flag is just a downvote, nothing personal.
This is what I like to see. When I first arrived to steemit even though there were "no rules" had a good understanding and respect for the reasoning behind flags by whales and therefore learned to avoid them (without having to censor myself). But over time things changed and I wrote a post many months ago suggesting that people write a post like the one you're writing. Rather than have to repeatedly explain yourself for how you vote, it would be great if everyone (or at least the large stake holders) set their own rules and made them clear to everybody so that we can react more civilly to the down vote.
https://steemit.com/myrules/@beanz/my-vote-my-rules-whales-set-the-rules-before-penalising-abuse
Thanks. I will read your new post when you finish it.
I think that more communication is key to helping people understand what has happened to them when they have been flagged, especially people new to Steemit.
It's not the best idea to let one's imagine run wild with scenarios, which it may sometimes do when first flagged, especially if new to Steemit. Some people have even screamed censorship over a single flag, even a minnow flag, because they didn't have any information on why it is happening.
Hi @mynameisbrian - It is very difficult to consider putting money into Steem when you can see these huge stakeholders and how they are treating people, the system flaws and the lack of respect for the end-users.
If the only reason right now to buy is to negate the whales... a person is going to have to purchase a whole lot of steem, I've done the math and the amount of stake one would have to buy to gain influence, would still not have much payoff in ROI.
Of course there is speculation - but without the platform, Steem is just another (I am going to grow up some day and be Bitcoin)
It's draining to see someone post for months and some whales decide to reward a content creator to their choosing at whatever voting percentage they choose, and 1 or 2 people have an opinion that a post is "overrewarded." Those individuals do not speak for the community.
It's like I donated to charity and some assholes come and say, "I think the charity has too much donations, let me take an amount from the donations so I can distribute how I want."
Neither are the content creators who post 4 times a day. People need to stop coming up with some bs justification.
Stop driving on the wrong side of the road!
yes bitcoinparadise. It drained me too when I was unfairly flagged and lost rewards.
But I find it much less draining now that I've changed my expectations to be that Steemit is NOT FAIR! I know it's not fair and now I don't sweat the small stuff.
I have said before that if the developers aren't going to change it to make it more fair (which I really hope that they do) than they should put a big post on the front page and communicate very clearly that Steemit is not fair -- you will be flagged and your money/Steem will be stolen -- so get used to it if you want to be here.
When you don't have expectations, the stress goes down greatly.
Oh I stress because I actually care about it when wrongdoings happen. It happens without a lot of us knowing it. Doing nothing and hoping the developers will solve it only had it continue to this point. I expect a place for content creators not to get ripped off. We expect money because that's how it's advertise, earn from blogging.
Where is the logic in that. Get too much popularity and support and you are punished. You guys really need to ask, Are content creators that are getting flagged doing anything wrong? Nope.
I agree bitcoinparadise! I'm on your side. I have felt the way that you feel, but decided that it's not worth my stress level going up so high.
The developers have to decide if they will fix their project or let it all slip away by not changing the system.
Peace!
p.s. I have enough stress already trying to change the world so that children will stop being poisoned and damaged.
Thanks @canadian-coconut (cool name btw!) - i understand you got hurt by the early flags so i get @krnel too - no one likes to be down voted. The Wild West comparison might be valid - it is new, it is beta - so we all learn I think, which is also the cool part of this. I saw similar situations by public complaining on other platforms which formed enemies - that was a reason I said this. I am not talking from the blue, i have experience two platform that were running as THE FIRSTS from the edge, everyone loved each other, great community that started but after a while people had issues (which is normal) - and the killer was that everyone was discussing everything what they hated on their public walls. That is the reasons I am pushing for positive vibes - there are things to be discussed and improved for sure! But that should be handled in direct contact with the Marshalls :-) - if they are available, and they should be. Thanks for the reply! And forgive my crap English and some typos.
You've framed it quite nicely, I see it as a medieval feudal system so far, but it's the same in a way :D
Check out the new post where I address the concentration of power, both in whales who upvote, and whales who downvote. We need decentralization of power to resolve both.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@krnel/community-decisions-to-establish-rules-vs-it-s-in-the-code-law-and-the-battle-for-decentralization
The negative must be faced. I'm in the thick of it, I feel it hard, and its draining every day. I will keep at this until change is going to happen. It sucks that transisto does it too, this reward-policing seems to be growing more... The concentration of power needs to be addressed finally, or Steemit will die as I see it...
The community needs to set the rules for how the community functions, and the code can be changed. Otherwise, Steemit will likely die from a lack of recognizing the issue of concentration of power.
@krnel
I wish you would just discuss it in the witness chat channel as smooth is there too isn't he?
how is this helping the community?
perhaps this post would help you calm down. I don't think writing about it in series would help you convince them and I don't think it is helping you either. These post series are making you look bad - it's like .. this flagging overrewarded content has been going on for weeks and its not just smooth nor transisto that are doing it there's more .. but when it happened to you that's when you complained about it.
Yes, when it affects someone personally, that's when they are more motivated to do something about it.
This started with me, in January. And then grew to other people, and I kept getting "overrewarded" and flagged, and then after 6-7 time I had enough as the payout "overrewarding" "limits" kept shrinking, it was obvious something wasn't right. So I spoke up about it.
People have tried to get this balance of power and concentration of power issue resolve in the past, but to no avail. I decided to do this because I have HIGH REP and have more visibility for people to see something is going wrong, even though most ppl know about it nothing seems to be done... hehe. I knew I would put a target on my back. This needs to be done now before thinking of "growing" and getting more people.
I read that months ago, and I don't agree with some of the points listed. I get your point though ;)
@krnel I respect that it's your right to do this but I don't agree with your approach and I hope you don't take it against me. I don't see it would help the community - it's creating havoc and a ripple of ranting posts related to it. You're not really trying to create a revolution against one person are you? If more posts about it come out and they all go on trending I and the many would surely have a hard time convincing our friends to join and those who already did may also stop cause mud throwing is never healthy - if we treat Steemit as a family perhaps it would be better to keep our family's skeleton in its closet. Perhaps we could create a chat channel dedicated for only this and all those who are concerned must answer any questions thrown in them. I have thought of writing you in the chat earlier on, too but I guess this is also okay. I hope you calm down. For the love of you I hope you can forgive me if I have been straightforward about my comment.
This is a community wide issue. We here a lot of second hand reports about what someone says in chat. They are often conflicting accounts. At least here it is on the blockchain and people cannot deny what they did or did not say.
But the community can only make suggestions, right? And it's up to the developers to listen to us or not and change the code or not.
I think that it is great to make suggestions.
I'm just saying that unless the changes are made, we have to accept that we have decided to join the Wild West where nothing is fair. Keep pushing for changes but take the emotion out of it if we can. If emotions gets to an unhealthy level, I think that it is best to leave "the Wild West" as there is nothing holding us here.
But perhaps you are good with the high emotional levels involved in fighting this fight. It may be worth it to you, especially if you don't have other more important fights going on in your life right now.
Many people are already emotionally on the edge just from dealing with their lives outside of Steemit. And it is not healthy to expect things to be fair here in a place that they chose to join, but they don't need to be here ... if the expectations of forcing things to be fair on Steemit pushes them over the edge.
Honestly, just seeing all of this constant talk about the situation here on Steemit lately has drained me a fair bit even though I decided that it should not. I probably should not even read posts like this or respond to them.
In reality I DO CARE a lot about what happens to Steemit ... however, I should not allow myself to care so much if it interferes with living a healthy life.
What does "The negative must be faced" mean ?
Positivity and no more negative issues happens when the issues and negatives are faced and resolved, not ignored.
I don't know why the payouts are separated at times, the first is the payout amount, and the second is the pending payout. It might be because someone upvoted it after the initial payout, but I checked some and it's not the case. I don't know why it's like that even when the payout is done and there is no additional pending payout for 30 days. I don't get it. SO I have to show both columns.
The community needs the information to be aware, so that the community can come to a consensus to agree to change things. I'm all fro the community getting actively involved in understanding issue and resolving them, not leaving it up to the stakeholders or witnesses that might be out of touch with whats going on. Many of them don't post and aren't "active" on the site.
Public posting is required for the issue to be addressed. Then the "image" of Steemit can be healed. The more people get involved to change the problems, the quicker things can get back to normal. I understand the issues you bring forth, but information needs to be made public for everyone to see whats going on.Awareness if the key to change and creating a real positive environment. Hiding from the negative in hopes that things magically fix themselves while thinking you don't have to be involved, isn't going to create a more responsible community of people who care to resolve issues that are happening. It just keep people separate from the decision making process to affect change.
You can read more of the issue to understand here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@krnel/community-decisions-to-establish-rules-vs-it-s-in-the-code-law-and-the-battle-for-decentralization
The power imbalance needs to be addressed. Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks @krnel - agree wth you in some points but to raise in public includes danger as not the majority of users can deal with the facts as you can (based on your intelligence (- act!). The normal user is just frightened and confused when people have a war, they feel insecure - one might say ok they might not be ready for this platform then. I am checking your other post now - before reading it I just wanted to say, we need a balance not only between steemit power holders and minnows / dolphins but also between people like you that are highly educated versus the normal user like me and coming from a not so developed area in the world that might post a nice photo or story from his home (maybe not in perfect English) and then gets bashed.
Yup I think I placed my first downvote back then too, still many turned on ats-david for no reason. I can see the thinking behind not flagging them. Since he did nothing said nothing and is just doing what is trendy: NASCAR.
His other post was interesting to me on the HardFork so I couldn't flag, not that it would have mattered. But I agree completely. There is a Hypocrisy going around. I was replying to bernie at that time, but it was he same day so I went over the trending page and saw 200 votes 5 views, the ats-david payouts, so many inconsistencies. With both of their points. They don't mean to harm you, just put you below the ground with a reverse flag. In a sense that is claiming a portion of YOUR reward pool. So it is actually abuse and should be noted on, I wanted to see this get a resolution but so far it hasn't they just carry on with the fact that "the system is at fault" (mr Bernie) and "I'm helping and doing my job" (mr Smooth) yes it's smooth indeed.
It would always be a problem and will cause a dispute. When two parties disagree and this is a issue of disagreement on payout. I would suggest using the notifications for such times, I was thinking that a newer system should be implemented but using what we have would be easier. Rather than calling in 5 whales to handle the dispute evenly, why not notify the ones who have upvoted that their "investment" won't be receiving returns :)
Still I'm starting to think this discussion is based on a paradigm mentality. You are more for a social outcome, while others value the "market" I'm one to stand on your shore, since having a market run by people always leaves someone with a bad taste in their mouth.
Hopefully a better reward distribution curve will help out.
As it stands I'm not sure who is right and who is wrong. Thanks for taking the time and showing the data. It's a shame it had to come to that with the whales downvotes, I was hoping for a debate of some sorts and a soft landing for both sides. So far it seems we are slit into groups, supporting and throwing arguments around for this and that. It's time the discussion got a real step up and now that there is no reward on this post, there won't be the argument "I flagged for payout. " it would be good if whales doing the policing would stand up and say something, so far they are always trailing off after the flag on to more rewards and posts.
It's a shame neither bernie or smooth have reviewed their practices and how much of a effect it makes to the community. I can't say they are wrong since they have a point in most of the cases. But having no accountability is never the answer. So far their power is behind them and they don't need to spend the time and get into controversial topics. But I would argue it's for their own good to put the community first and their ideas and earning second. At least keep things balanced. Flag for half the price. Leave some space for a consensus. The fact is they really think they can continue doing this as long as they please. And it's not hurting anybody, because it doesn't affect them, bernie doesn't seem to be a believer in the long term of the Steemit, why would he power down, totally disregard everyone speaking to him, or trying to get in touch otherwise.
Smooth does have a sense of care and consideration, but wouldn't cater to other people. I think we need them because they offer their own unique perspective, but they need to work with everybody, it's easy for them since they flag every day and it's up to them to do it. But for somebody that gets flagged once, could be really breaking(why would he work towards a whale status when they are such assholes after all :D, quote unquote.).
Many disagree with you, I think it has to be said, just like you are doing and if it had happened to someone else it would have quickly become disregarded. People were trolling skeptic and matrixdweller for weeks, nobody cared. Can't say they are great or whatever, but still trashing accounts never gives me a hope for a future. If somebody is spamming do you just beat the shit out of them, nice way to teach someone, great job on parenting :D, great job on empathy :).
I will see how things went on your other posts, after all this doesn't seem to be blowing off and a resolution didn't offer itself as I had hoped.
Thanks for the feedback and offering more information. Appreciated.
This is more of a fact post, and I point out the issues again. Not much to dispute here..
You can see more of the problem here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@krnel/community-decisions-to-establish-rules-vs-it-s-in-the-code-law-and-the-battle-for-decentralization
I point out we need to address the power imbalance which is one reason purported for why the reward-police formed. Dealing with that will deal with whale upvotes "overrewarding" as they say, and we need a community flag counter-measure to deal with bad flagging action.
I'm already on there, the problem is that in my head we are into law and order now, do we add in courts :D, and all that good jazz, I think the only way to move past this is to have people act responsibly with the mind that they are not only helping and doing what is right and allowed(incentivized) but also harming,
In the case of karen, she got mad, in the case of the cryptofiend he was ok, why one hand't seen a trending post, while the other already knew how things were and was "indebted" already so it balanced out the scales in a way. No bad apples were thrown that day, at least on that post.
The problem for me is that whales don't care most of the time, "luck of the draw" your post gets downed because it has to happen :D that isn't a responsible way a adult should act. They aren't that bad, but I think it needs to be figured out. Hopefully the Hardfork won't break everything :D