RE: Pushing Back Against Pro-Vaccination Zealots
Ahh my friend @pathforger - I guess I have just become a Moron. As you may remember: I am an Emergency Nurse who actually likes not having to bump into these communicable diseases. You have said (and it is true) that all people deserve the right to freedom of speech and believing whatever they want to believe. But I will ask for one more thing - when I had to provide my postgrad papers, I was asked for referencing to my arguments. I can't just make up facts for myself. Well my friend - where are yours? You mentioned an outbreak of 35 deaths in Europe according to WHO, but in America alone (according to Center of Disease Control and Prevention, 2018) in 2017 there have been 118 cases of Measles diagnosed and reported. But what about these deaths from vaccinations? Is that referenced?
That being said, there is something behind what you say. According to the CDC (center of Disease Control and Prevention - I don't think you're interested in Australian stats lol) , in 2017 there were 332 cases of injuries/deaths reported in America associated to Vaccines. Before anyone freaks out, 275 of the 332 were flu vaccine and these injuries goes to different levels. Of the deaths, there were 5 deaths and 4 of them related back to the flu vaccine. One would say from these results, the flu vaccine needs a good hard look at including the fact that it can be sold over the counter in America - when it should be administered by an immunization nurse!!!!
As to the ethics and morality of the companies providing these vaccines - I agree entirely. It is totally wrapped around profit. But isn't that the same for any other medication? Just because the companies providing Digoxin (or IV Epinephrine for that matter) make millions of dollars at our expense - it doesn't mean that the product is not still to be produced or used.
As far as the conspiracy theory is concerned, well - it all goes back to the antigen to antibody theory. That I will leave to the medifacts sheet on Google to explain to you. I think I have taken up too much of your space here. I don't think you should let your friend be upset or upset you about vaccinations. It is a difficult issue for a parent, but unless you are suddenly married with 5 kids that I don't know about, then you don't have to worry about it. And as far as the flu vaccination goes. Pls get it done with a Dr or nurse and don't just jab yourself - there is an assessment to be performed prior!!
Keep putting your posts on and let me know more of your deep and meaningful thoughts!! :)
Ah, @mysecondself01, I am truly sad that you too have interpreted my post as intending that anybody who is pro-vaccinations is a moron or a zealot. This is not what I meant to say and as of writing this comment I've yet to decide upon a good way to facilitate other readers' understanding of that reference. :c)
As I was implying in wrapping up after the 'argument' had concluded, I had actually been bluffing that I had the sources to hand. I 'am' aware that persons have died or been injured as a result of vaccines - but I'd long since come across those articles. You're right to say that I really should have such matters buttoned-down. ^_^
I also have a view about why vaccine injuries occur - especially in young children - and I personally think that it comes down to the human body being given too many vaccines within too short a time.
This is why I personally support the most reasonable anti-vaxxer view that vaccinations should be spaced out over more years of a person's life.
Vaccines here have to be administered by a medical professional - doctor or nurse. I personally don't like needles either way.
Corporate priorities and vaccines. Yes - the flawed motives and the concerns at play do also apply to medications. This is one reason that I am highly suspicious of long-term and life-long medications (while acknowledging that they are probably essential in the absence of anything better).
I personally felt that every word that you have written here has been a gift. :c) I do welcome reasoned comments regardless of whether they are pro or anti - and I sincerely look forward to coming across your posts and comments again - soon enough! :c)
Thank you for your excellent comment @mysecondself01 ^_^
I didn't know you were needle-phobic. Come to my Emergency and I can cure you of that. I'm as gentle as a breeze (lol) and kids have let me give needles without emla while I sing songs like a whisperer (haha)
Once again my friend - you are talking about a lot of vaccine injuries occurring (especially in young children). Where are your references? The numbers I quoted included allergic reaction including rash or nausea/vomiting. Just a reason to put a colored tag to the ID band the next time they come to the hospital.
Just let it go my friend. We have better things to talk about. And your conversations are also a gift to me. At the moment, I'm supposed to go outside and do the gardening but I really can't be bothered. I'ld rather be here chatting with yourself while I flake out on the computer and rest next to the cat. I've only been doing freewrites and can't think of anything else to write about. I refuse to write about vaccinations (so over that!) So maybe you have another topic to discuss?
PS - I know you don't think I'm a Moron. I just thought it was a funny thing to write at the time. Maybe that does make me a Moron? Who knows?
I have been told that I get wobbly and pale just seeing the needle out (when it wasn't intended for me).
I would be genuinely impressed if you were to succeed in skipping over that storm-tide of tension that preceeds each shot or extraction. ;c)
This because in fairness most nurses that I come across do a very good job (and I let them get on with it - mind over feels).
Again, I have no references (and won't go net-diving for substitutes). And yes we shall surely have more amenable conversations to share (I personally felt your comments to be very fruitful - thank you ^_^).
I've been resisting the urge to join the freewrites trend (I have a nickname to live up to - in some small way) but they do constitute a well spring of creativity. Won't say never on that. :c)
PS. Everybody can be a moron sometimes. I'm pretty sure that the above-mentioned "morons" are pretty decent persons otherwise - probably - and none of us are vaccinated against moronic inclinations (I am certain that a few consider me to be a moron for having posted this :cD).
I look forward to our next crossing - probably not on vaccinations territories. :cP Thanks again @mysecondself01!
If you need articles I have plenty. Let’s take the most recent flu shots in the USA that are killing children and people have been sick for over two months. The list really is a long one and do not feel you need to prove anything to anyone. This was your VP just as they had theirs. Are they doctors, biologist, etc?
Well, occasionally one does come across persons who have medical background. :c)
For me this is a lot less important than the solidness of their points made - but they tend to coincide - which is again fine. :cP
The main story here was less the potential adverse effects of vaccines and more the degree to which some people are programmed to leap upon any such mention.
Of course I remain interested in such articles - but I know well that it won't be a headline act for me, being too much of a generalist. :c)
It was fun shooting down the ill-conceived challenges though (which I'd also faced with regards a somewhat different area). :cP
why are you writing in professor speech? Buahaahah
thank goodness i can read between the lines ...
they posted BS and you busted them on their BS. LOL
that said, you enjoy reading all aspects but really only like generalities. hee hee
love my poetforger ... Eagle xx
Eh... I just respect the personal experiences of people that I come across. :c)
Of course accepting a difference in viewpoint does not necessitate agreeing with it.
Just yesterday I spoke to a mother who swears that the MMA vaccination permanently drastically changed her son's personality and brought on autism over a matter of days.
My heart went out to her as the child is now a teenager and she seems to have soaked up a lot of autism 'and' vaccinations-related information.
Of course she would be a more suited combatant in the war against irresponsible vaccinations - but her motives understandably center around her child - and trying to heal the damage that has been done.
Love ya too. :c) xx
Did you really say “eh”? Hahahahah ahahhahah
Well I happen to agree with her and it has now been proven that the vaccines when they had higher percentages of metals in them combined with certain dna caused autism. People have “felt” this for years and now there is scientific proof. Anyways I’m
Really not sure your stance other than people should just be allowed to voice their opinions and I agree. Lol