RE: Reactions to HF 19 - Linear Rewards, Vote Strength, Changes in Payouts, Self Voting, etc.
You're missing some of the problems that have come along too Tim. Views are largely down on posts. Especially in minnow land we see fewer interactions. The instinct to horde steempower when starting is strong, so with a few posts, a few votes on posts, and a few on comments you're done for day. Minnows are interacting less. The upside of linear rewards to a minnow is more than cancelled by the lack of views and interactions.
You're also downplaying the amount of autovorotic behavior. If you look pre HF there was about 77MV going into comments. It's close to 400 now and it hasn't all be averaged out. We're seeing what I think will average out to about a 10x increase vosterbation.
I think linear rewards is mostly a good thing, but we wouldn't have to worry about it so much if the distribution on this platform wasn't the top 1% of steem holders own 93% of the steem, and that's before we include @steemit.
I think there are some big problems left over largely from 40x->10x and distribution that I hope the top witnesses take into account.
Thanks for your views though. There are some benefits as you note, but I think it's actually going to take minnows longer to break out now.
There is no question that there have been good and bad impacts from the HF. Most of the 'bad' parts though are based on user behavior. I realize that incentives are largely what drive that, but we do have to work as a community to incentivize and encourage the behavior that we want. The blockchain is the platform/framework that we all use, but it is really up to the community and users what we do with that. I think that the short-term change in statistics that we are seeing is not a true measurement of what the effects are. We are still in beta mode, and things will change a lot more once communities open up and the UI user experience is improved. For now I think focusing on getting the fundamentals right is the correct course of action. I am still confident that this will all play out for the best in the end.
Very true, social incentives I call them. I'm glad you support flagging against self voting abuse (though of course I can't speak to the parameters of this support).
@timcliff @aggroed
As a minnow I am guilty of less interaction then I was with my fellow minnows then before the fork. I use to just randomly go into new introduce yourself posts and drop by to say hi, follow, upvote, and be on my way. I use to also spend more time interacting, or trying help out fellow minnows as well. I’ve noticed some smaller projects people have made to support minnows stop receiving views, and the people running just put out less content now.
So why did my interaction drop?
First part of it is limiting factor of upvote power. I have learned I need to keep mine at or above 80%, and I am super picky now with what I upvote. I’ve noticed once a minnow find this out they are reducing the amount they are upvoting.
Second, lack of tools Steemit has put out for me to properly manage my feed. Sure members of the community have started to create add-ons where you can do things like mute someone resteem ability to your feed, or gain better statistical data. I’m finding myself being more picky on who I follow (I even went and unfollowed a bunch just to keep my feed “manageable.”) I like the idea of a feed but a lot of people who have thousands have described them upvoting someone blog on their feed like “winning the lottery,” the chance is so rare. I see myself being heavily dependent on third party apps in the future.
Third, the weather in Florida is absolutely gorgeous this time of year. I’m spending less time in doors and more time outdoors swimming. I’ve noticed a lot of other people are spending more time outdoors as well. Naturally, not having to vote as much. I get to spend less time here and that not a bad thing, but I’m also not finding the gem of a post by someone who just joined either.
Finally, a few of the tags that where created for minnows usage is either dead or over run by non-minnows. I know better than to use all my tags for the really big things like life, Steemit and so on. As any views there are just minutes if that. This leaves me using a big tag or two and then trying finding the lesser tag where I can stay up for days. Even someone as small as me with help of minnowsupport can stay for days near the top if I find the right tag. I noticed a lot of minnows even I still struggle with this.
I hope in some way this has helped to better understand at less why I am being less active and I can only assume others are as well. Perhaps it will help lead to further discussion on changes beta needs to move forward and retain new users who I have been noticing sometimes never log back in.
This, yes, ALL of this. Me too!
I am a minnow and I upvoted a whale's post last night at 90%+ power and added $100. Amazing!?
Read my posts, rarely beyond 5 mins long. Always hilarious and entertaining!
NO ENTERTAINMENT LIKE THE IDIOT BOX
That's not possible. You can read how it works in my article Common SteemIt mistakes and misconceptions.
It was a 6½ day old post, no more voting going on. I saw the $amount increase by $100 after my one upvote, so was very surprised. Thanks for the good read.
I work very hard on my posts. I engage a lot with others and get very little for what others say is a great posts. I never did vote for my posts but now I do on 5th day. Before payout.
I couldn't have said it better myself! thanks!
This is what I'm talking about with a lot less "institutional knowledge" in my comment question elsewhere on this page.
You can buy the right to votserbate or even to sling mud, and I've seen it first hand. And there is no way to combat the unfair attack by a lesser powered, but more involved and contributing community member. Others with good intentions have to rescue them. Or not. Not a reliable proposition. So all that you said above seems exacerbated by being able to buy into the 1% and attack the 99% who combined, cannot fight back.
I'd wish that in my utopia version of this place that some kind of Rep score was used for influence metrics and the money was separate. That's just my wish.
It's seem I am not fully grasping it all though, since big leaguers have voiced disagreement with my points in "my part" (for lack of a better designation to indicate the comments under mine) of this page's comment thread.
I'm not going anywhere either way. Based on what appear to be some pretty extraordinary growth metrics on my account for my very young 31 days here, I already know I'll get to the "top" soon enough. I'm sold out for steem and steemit, and spend 20 hours a day here more often than not, encouraging, promoting minnows, sharing in the experience and trying to use my powers for good.
I just hope it doesn't end up a spoiled bag of apples because worms who just show up overnight to take advantage of the farmer's hard work.
We're actually in a better position to group together and combat abuse that we were before HF 19. The combined effect of many minnow is actually significant.
Perhaps, but I'm not gonna be the one to ask fellow minnows to scream this is Sparta on MY behalf. It would have to happen organically when they saw it and shat brix. That said, I often campaign for judicious downvotes but it seems to fall on fearing ears, because the only people I see flagging are dolphin or above.
It's true that there is not a culture of it yet. I had an idea a while ago about a way to coordinate minnows into righteous flagging swarms but it would always require crying Sparta 😉
SpartaSwarmBot? Hey that does have a nice ring to it.
So does VigilanteJusticeBot or WitchHunterBot tho. Hmmm.
You blame the increase in comment rewards solely on self-voting? Why?
Good question.
I agree with you arggroed, I spend some time among newbies and I have seen that most of them do not wish to vote or even comment on posts. But then when I visit the hot and trending section, the posts there have a lot of conversation and people are voting and commenting there.
This is why you have become one of my fav. guys on here and why I gave you my last witness vote. You have shown you are not afraid to speak your opinion and as an activist who has been targeted, this speaks to me @aggroed.
Thanks Barry! It's an honor to wear the Dutton Badge on the Witness voting wall.
You are too kind. I have sensed for awhile quietly watching your hard work, that I will likely do a blog on you.
I basically decided that, regardless of the blog post or not the day I gave you that vote and I am feeling still really good about it.
I like you.
Moreoever, I think I trust you and I cannot say that about many people, especially online.
I hope you have a nice night and stop by the
#SteemitCampfire
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if you find time in the midst of being so awesome.
(:
I appreciate that comment, @aggroed and I appreciate that you and other whales are trying to make the platform succeed and are dilgently watching the effects of HF 19. I do on rare occasions visit Discord, and I do resteeming as a way of helping other minnows.
Steem shouldn't be thought of as a "get rich quick" freeway, but it should be thought of, I think, as a destination spot, and oasis where your creative talent and skills have a place to blossom, and shine, and grow. It should be a place where artists, writers, photographers, and programmers can "cut their teeth" on small to medium sized audiences, and get valuable feedback.
It should also be a place where small communities of faith, or people with similar interests can meet, and build one another up. Thanks again for caring!
"The top 1% of steem holders own 93% of the steem" - I hadn't realised the wealth was quite so concentrated! Globally, in the outside world, the top richest 1% only own about 50% of the world's wealth.
The only thing why I still have my doubts for success of Steemit is that the distribution couldn't really be any worse. Will it matter in the end, who knows? But it seems like the whales can power down while still increasing their share more compared to others. Working as intended? I wonder how a system like this would work with fair and proper distribution at times, maybe one day we'll see.
Fork it, fork it and show us what fair and proper distribution is because waiting won't change the distribution one bit.