Daily Dose of Sultnpapper 08/03/18> Where were we … oh yes; signing the papers.
When last I left you, we had just placed you in the situation of your real estate closing on your new home. You are seated in an office with a whole stack a legal documents that you need to sign in order to complete the transaction and get the keys to your new place.
For those of you who are just joining us and missed yesterday’s Daily Dose the subject was “fraud” and I am about to point out just how fraudulent these real estate transactions can be, so stick around if you will and maybe learn something.
What exactly is fraud...
First though before we have you start putting your signature on all these papers let’s first clarify what exactly constitutes “fraud” so there will be no misunderstanding as to the meaning. Fraud is the “deceit or trickery: specifically; intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right.” That’s right from the Merriam & Webster’s dictionary. It also lists as part of the definition, “ an act of deceiving or misrepresenting”. So, this pretty clear but I like this one best, and it is for English language learners also from M&W, “the crime of using dishonest methods to take something of value from another person”.
Just a quick side note here; I am guessing that “English language learners” would be people who are learning English as a second or third language possible even further down in the order. I find it very interesting that M&W doesn’t mention in the primary definition for us English as a first language users that fraud is crime.
Why do you think that is? That also begs the question of why point it out to the people who are just learning English? Could it be that if you are an English first language person that you don’t need to associate fraud with being a crime since there is so much damn fraud taking place here in the Western World that it is expected to encounter fraud and not consider it a crime?
Another take on might be maybe we don’t want foreigners honing in on just how lucrative fraud can be and have those folks competing for what is at stake in the arena of fraud? Here is a thought; it might even be considered fraud on the part of M&W for leaving the part about it being a crime out of the definition.
Seems like they really didn’t want the English first folks knowing that fraud is a crime, otherwise it would have been in the definition. I guess if we really want the true definition and are using M&W as a source we need to always go way down to the English language learner definitions.
Okay, so we established fraud is a crime and it involves deceiving others to get something of value from them. Get your pen ready.
Where do I sign...
We have a pretty crowed office and a small room so not all the people who are here for the closing can all be in the same physical space but just so you know. Mr. & Mrs. Home Seller are in another office just down the hall signing their portion of the papers and we have notary who will coming back and forth between them and you to notarize signatures so we can make sure all the forms are properly signed and nothing goes wrong with the closing.
Your bank that is serving as your lender isn’t here but we have been in contact with them and they are standing by to transfer the money to the seller once we have all the paper work finalized. These other folks are with title company and they prepared all the documents and did all the title searches to make sure that your new home doesn’t have any skeletons in the closet with regard to liens and back taxes and such.
The first papers you end up signing are the papers that really don’t have a lot of weight in the transaction and are not very lengthy in wording; this is done so they can get you loosened up with the pen and signing forms. So, yes, you can read them if you want and ask questions but you didn’t hire an attorney to come look things over for you so they will just tell you, “these are just the standard forms for these transaction” , there really isn’t anything special about them. When you look at your real estate agent, he gives you the approving nod of the head and the thumbs up and says go ahead and sign.
Deed restrictions...
Oh yea, that form called “deed restriction” that just tells you that the HOA for your subdivision takes care of the local park and swimming pool and that you will have to pay an annual home owners fee so that they can keep the place mowed and the water in the pool clean. Sign right here….. That is the first of many frauds that will take place.
The HOA can end up stealing your house from you but they didn’t tell you that, just fail to pay the home owners fees and they will have the sheriff selling your house on the courthouse steps some first Tuesday of a month.
They may have given you a copy of the deed restrictions but there just “standard things that all subdivisions” have, your real estate agent told you there all the same. That HOA will wear your ass out if you as much as have some grass growing in the cracks of the sidewalks in front of your house. These HOA love the fact that they can send you registered letters via the USPO and bill you around $25 to $30 a pop for them, since you are in “violation” of the deed restrictions. Once you get on their bad side, you become a target of theirs and an extra revenue stream for them.
Title insurance, fee simple... huh?
Another form that you sign early in the process is the notice of title insurance, that just tells you what insurance carrier is providing the insurance against any defects in the title to the property should you ever encounter any problems in the future. It is a good thing to have titled insurance and the lender isn’t going to fund your loan without it. One thing I might point out about the title insurance policy is that if you read it, you will probably see that the title policy lists the type of title as “fee simple” but the title you will be provide with won’t be a fee simple title, so there is a second fraud in this transaction and we only have signed two documents so far. That’s a great average wouldn’t you say?
You will have signed some other forms in the mean time and most of those have some errors and omissions in them as well but now it is time to get down to the nuts and bolts of the transaction.
The lawyers have prepared these solely for your transaction and you had to pay a pretty tidy sum of money for them to do it and so there is really no need to understand them; so you just give it a cursory once over look just to make sure that your names are spelled correctly and that the amounts of the sale price and promissory note are correct.
Where is my lender...
Way earlier when you first decided on purchasing this house you filled out a loan application with your bank or financing institution and you got word that you were approved for the loan, otherwise you wouldn’t be here today signing all these papers, so we are going to refer to your loan provider as the “lender”. The lender doesn’t have anyone here at the closing to sign saying your loan is approved or to get your signature on a loan contract, doesn’t that seem strange?
Easy as one, two, three...
This transaction seems like it would be a pretty simple one, the sellers sign some paper work relinquishing any claim to the property, you sign the deed and the mortgage note and the bank then transfers the money to Mr. & Mrs. Home Sellers bank account and everyone is shaking hands and smiling as Mr. & Mrs. Home Seller hand you over the keys to the front door of your new home….. that is what takes place, isn’t it?
How can this be...
Well to the untrained person that is what takes place, but some major fraud took place and you never even knew it. There is a real good reason the banks don’t have a loan officer there at your closing to get you to sign a loan contract, in order for them to do that it would involve them loaning you money and that never took place in the transaction you just went through. The “lender” as we referred to them is not lending anything to you is this transaction; you are led to believe they are, and that is fraud like you have never seen before.
It happens every day...
The fact that these transactions take place hundreds, if not thousands of times, a day each business day here in the USA doesn’t change the fact that fraud has taken place; it just means that we are some pretty ignorant people when it comes to how the banking and financial sectors work in this country.
So, if you are going to tell me that I am wrong and the “lender” really did loan the money to fund the transaction and I am full of crap then you might want to hold back until you read the Daily Dose for 08/04/18 when I go into money and banking and prove that what I have stated is correct. One more day isn’t going to kill you, and you may just learn something.
I will try and finish this up tomorrow and we can then move on to more joyful things.
Until next time,
@sultnpapper
Y'know. I agree with you on this. (I can't wait to find out what brought on this particular rant. It does seem to have come out of thin air.)
Ok ... I've read a little further. And, yeah, I hate Home Owners' Associations, too. We only had one -- with a house we owned in California. I vowed never again. Never, ever again. Maybe I'll write a post about why. Thanks for the idea. (Reading on. I suspect at this point you have a beef with your HOA -- which may explain how this subject came up. We'll see.)
Oh, crap. There's not yet an end to the story. This is worse than those cliff-hanger serial stories they used to play on the radio back when I was a kid. (Never you mind how long ago that was. Let's just say I remember those things and let it go at that.)
I'm beginning to wonder if following you was a good idea. There is an exit out of this place you know. But then I'd never hear the end of this story.
Drat.
Following me is only good if you are interested in learning the truth, whether or not it was a good idea on your part; only you can answer that question.
Normally, as you know, I don't write multi part stories or tie a bunch of consecutive daily doses together. I would never be able to get anyone to read the daily dose if I did, let's face nearly everyone who is alive today and 40 years old or under has been diagnosed with ADD or ADDHD or some other alphabet soup disorder that would keep them from being able to follow along for any period of time, so I try to keep it neat and in a little small packet so they can get in, get it, and get out all in just a few minutes.
The small little salt and pepper packages have more meaning than you realized, but now I am starting to give secrets away.
So my apologies for stringing this subject out about fraud and real estate transactions but for most people buying a home is the biggest transaction they will be involved with so it needed to be chopped up and it didn't help that the TV in the hotel got me side tracked either.
My main areas of interest in trying to teach my future grand kids is law, money, and American history. Fraud just happens to fall into or is encompassed in those same three categories within the purchase of a home. So things surely need pointed out in just a little more detail than I normally would.
I can remember listening to the AM radio at bedtime as well and those multi part stories that made you wonder what was coming next, and the really good ones would sometimes even influence what you dreamed about that night. I may not be good enough to influence a person's dreams with what I write but if I can stimulate at least some thoughts on the subjects I touch on I will have at least have the believe that I did something good with what I write.
I am well aware that there is an exit, I have looked at it several times myself. Each time I do though I have to remind myself why I am here, so I haven't gone out the exit. I do know where all the fire alarms are located now after being here for almost a year, so if you hear those going off , it will be me pulling them on the way out.
What exactly does the deed to a property say in the US? In Canada, the deed is granted by the Queen to Province who in turn grant you permission to use the said property. It is never technically yours. And you have borrowed money that doesn't exist to buy property that is never yours, to begin with...Wow. Complicated much?
It is basically the same here, permission to use the property. It has the legal description to the property with the meets and bounds survey markings and legal description as recorded in the county plat. It also lists any restrictions or covenants that are on the property for use such as zoning, commercial, residential, agriculture etc.
Since 1933 the governments owns all the land, they confiscated it back then and the hold the title to all of it. Before then you could get an allodial title to property which is true ownership free of any superior landlord like the government. You didn't borrow anything in the transaction, unless you borrowed the pen to sign the papers, your signature created the money, that is right; created it. So if anyone loaned anything with regard to the money, you loaned it to yourself unknowingly.
Ahhhhhh. I have learned a couple of things from my brothers. The one that died last year was a 'title officer' at a large local title company. The other is VP of lending at the biggest Credit Union in the region.
I'll sweet guarantee you that their deeds were indeed fee simple. It's a huge pain in the ass and the involved institutions will fuss like hell but it can be done.
The Title Company that my baby brother worked at started offering 'no lawyer' closings many years ago. Their attorney (called compliance officer) made damn sure that the forms were generically correct and would pass all legal tests then they just filled in the appropriate names. Reduced closing costs to $250, a huge savings for the buyer. Is the primary reason they had about 80% of the title business in the county. You could request a copy of the entire stack and they would give it to you a week before scheduled closing so you could read every document. Not very many did. I was one of the few.
I'll wait until tomorrow, but I have a spoiler alert. The 'lending' arm of the home buying deal is one of those dirty little secrets, dirty little lies operations.
Thanks for the exposure of this fraud. There are a few things you can do to protect yourself, but you have to be willing to go to 'extra trouble'.
Oh, and for the record: I have not ever, nor will I ever live in a place with an HOA. Those things are just bizarre in their set up and powers.
I look forward to hearing more from you on this, and that you have family in this is interesting. I can guarantee there are "issues" with your paper work that you and baby brother aren't even aware of and one of those you touched on in your reply, appropriate names. They always have a way of creating a "legal fiction" with the names, that way if you ever do end up in court regarding the property you the living man have no standing in the matter. I have seen that done all the time, and the courts make sure that it works for the banks or mortgage in almost all the cases. The thing about these real estate transactions is that these are all legal documents and require full legal names and full legal signatures and seldom are those ever on the documents.
Oh a delightful HOA fee. Man, sometimes those fees are pretty high and I just don't understand how people agree to them! Understandably there has to be some communal account taking care of the community areas... Anyway, interesting writing up. Looking forward to the next one when you blow us out of the water and our eyes pop out of our heads from the shock. ;) Have a good one and enjoy that Texas heat! I saw our temperature gauge around 10 this morning and it said 65. :)
Thanks. HOA's are an out of control group for sure and I don't know exactly how they came about but it is a big problem, especially for older folks who don't have some family member looking out for them and their affairs. I don't know when the last time we were below 65 even in the dead of the night, it has been a while.
I'm not sure what HOA stands for - I'm guessing Home Owner's Association? It sounds like the associations called factors in Scotland (and something completely different in England). I actually know of some very good factoring companies, but many factors are also housing associations, which were formerly semi-public bodies, but are now being privatised or turned into so-called "arm's length" organisations. Then they consolidate into huge companies, cut staff, and have MASSIVE budgets covering enormous housing areas. What could possibly go wrong?
The flat I rent out had a widely disliked firm as the factor - not a former housing association, but a private company. A man who I think is extremely sly and who owns two flats in the same development started a campaign to get a new factor in. Oh, and he just happens to own a small factoring firm, but it only had one small block of flats at the time. He teamed up with an elderly man who generally does a lot of campaigning for our block, and managed to get most of the flat owners to vote to ditch the existing factor and replace them with his company. He refused to let any other factoring firms bid for the tender.
There were about 10 flat owners who were really against this and thought it was a sneaky deal, but the majority just went along with it. Yes, my next property will be a standalone self-factored one.
Yes, HOA is for Home Owners Association, and generally is an elected board that runs it, elected by the home owners. The board then hires a management company to oversee everything and those companies are the real bastards in the situation, I think they must operate on a % contract since they constantly are screwing with people over the smallest little things, each time being a fee assessed to the home owner for the letters sent.