Identity & Reputation: What's In a Name?

in #community-building8 years ago (edited)

This post on reputation and how to monetize it really got me thinking about identity in general and especially those online. One of the flaws with every reputation system I've seen so far is that it only applies to a specific corner of the web, usually a single website. Someone can usually establish a high reputation rating in one place even if they have a very negative one somewhere else, and the two don't affect one another. In other words, violations committed under a different identity don't carry over into your others. Because of this, one can quickly develop a high-rep Steemit account (only takes a week or two if they snag some whale love) and use it to lure people off-site into scams or worse. This works because the rules of flagging only apply to specific violations committed on Steemit itself. One can easily use Steemit as their hunting grounds and maintain their reputation points as long as their violations occur off-site and thus cannot be considered flag-worthy. This certainly isn't something that's unique to Steemit, of course. It's common in online marketplaces too. For instance, someone could sell a bunch of cheap trinkets on eBay without ever violating anyone there and then "up-sell" them by direct correspondence afterwards. In this way, the easily-established eBay reputation serves as the predator's tool rather than that of potential victims. Can this be fixed? Personally, I remain doubtful but I still think it's a fascinating challenge worth tackling together as a community. We'll probably always have catfish and other sorts of fraudsters in our midst but if we can mitigate their impact on the platform in some way, we definitely ought to make the attempt. Any ideas to this end could potentially be crowdfunded by upvotes, as we're already used to seeing, or they could be funded by an organized bounty in the manner that @ned describes here. It's a subject I thought a lot about, over the years. I rejected my childhood name, Aaron, a decade ago and adopted a new one for everyday use that was both simpler to spell and pronounce while retaining its uniqueness. It was also important to me that it's .com domain name was available for the sake of personal branding in the future. Over the years, it proved to be a worthwhile move and besides the more practical advantages, it also just felt good to homestead a new name from scratch rather than being forever tied that way to the parents I thoroughly despised. Much more recently, with the advent of Steemit, I began using the handle PiedPiper and it has been fun to repeat the process all over again in a new community setting.

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Establishing a new brand can be fun but it usually requires an investment. It prompted me to think on the subject of identity and reputation again and I realized that this adoption of the PiedPiper name has come at a transitional time in my life, just as the last one did. The first time, when I was 19, I was leaving my parents' world to find a new one of my own choosing. I was moving away from a world that I wanted no part of but this time, the transition is one of arrival - of embracing a new place in the world. In this past year, I found a suitable place to call home here on the South Pacific coast of Chile, I found great new friends to join me as neighbors, and together, we bought the land and are building the community of our dreams. It was actually one of these new neighbors of mine, @onceuponatime that introduced me to Steemit in the first place so that adds even more to the serendipitous feeling. I'm glad that my new friends here on Steemit can be a part of the story at such a positive time and I'd like to thank those of you that read this for all of your positive contributions you've made here so far. It has already been a hell of a ride and we're just getting warmed up.

I guess the point of all this rambling is that the dilemma we're all considering isn't just about managing labels and avatars, it's about threat detection and productive community building. When you build a village, it's important to be on the look out for predators who would abuse you and your fellow villagers. Most mechanisms to that end are full of holes and the more you work on tightening security, the more you often end up infringing on people's privacy. Personally, I'm comfortable with total transparency but I know the majority of my peers are not so we have to be sensitive in this regard and refrain from going to far. I'm sure this will be an ongoing topic of discussion for some time and we probably won't reach any solid consensus on it but I'm still very interested in everyone's opinion about it. What do you think? Where do your preferences fall on the spectrum of transparency and secrecy? Is the reputation points system we have now enough? If not, what sort of modifications would you like to see?

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evil fears transparency, so evil cannot flourish on blockchain, and blockchain will not flourish without transparency

Yeah, if you're afraid of being open and honest, it's either because you're guilty or you're under threat by someone else and have to get free of them.

99% of the time I think that any person who claims to be under threat is a liar... it even inspired a line I wrote.. "only liars make excuses"

I just did a post on this. It's not specifically related to what you're saying here, but I think we need the ability to build a DRO on top of the system that under some circumstances can be restorative of reputation. Right now we can only retaliate against people who may try to damage our reputation through erroneous flagging.
https://steemit.com/anarchy/@randr10/why-steemit-is-not-a-good-model-for-anarchism-yet
I'll add to that by saying that a DRO would be capable of conducting reputation management outside of Steemit in other places on the internet and even brick and mortar businesses, tying all of that information together to show the true nature of an actor within any given system.

I've been thinking about reputation a lot since I was flagged by a whale while posting a greeting saying you can qualify for project newbie if you verify. My "reputation" plummeted even though several who saw the comment said it was innocuous, even helpful, including the recipient. I worked with #steemprentice to create a plug for them that I could circulate as part of an effort to help new kids get FAQ. I'm now being asked if I would be willing to step up at project newbie. But I don't think I can make myself. The project newbie founder went to bat for me and got the flag removed and might even be able to repair the "reputation" I've come to think very little of. I don't understand why I can't just get over this.

It might be because I have wondered whether the real reason for the flag was that I have been a voice for transparency, which I have never understood the controversy around. My mind roams to various possibilities because there's been no valid explanation, just stating that my circulating of FAQ is spamming, which I find...lacking in clarity

. Suspicions can only build into rumors when there isn't open communication. Rumors create false information and build scintillation around it where transparency reveals facts. Facts are boring and when you talk about them and point them out, you seem pedantic. It is much less likely for suspicions to get blown out of proportion and overreacted to when people are openly discussing facts.

Can facts be openly discussed on Steemit? Can I tell people I might have lost esteem for the community without being called a complainer and told to shut up? It sucks that I can't just get over this. I want to get on the roller coaster with you and be a sane voice for kindness and community.

To me, transparency seems to be an absolute requirement for participation. I'm noticing this as true for myself, not thinking it in an theoretical way. As an editor and somewhat skilled communicator, I cannot understand being sure that something is incorrect but not caring enough to fix it. Why not just say "Hey, if you add this text (x) to this comment, you'll avoid any possibility of being flagged." An opportunity to help me hone a perfect message was missed. I don't understand why my reputation should be lowered because someone missed an opportunity to build community, because they lacked vision or were just lazy or, or? I feel voiceless and shot down. The reason I'm here saying so is that I want to put my power and heart behind Steemit. But do I dare demand an explanation, being so lowly, from someone so mighty? Risk being stomped down again, my reputation lowered further? It's too much drama. I'm going to my garden.

Great to be reminded that this isn't just about creating content but actualizing the lives and communities we want to exist.

It really is.... I am still about the game.... just the direction it took was gamification of the site lol. I need to get a bounty funded.

Exactly what I have been thinking for awhile. I did a couple posts on this awhile ago... I really do think some of the best solutions for the platform lie in gamification of the platform.

Bounties and Badges was my idea that I also suggested we use to help deal with this. Basic concept, and I will link the post and hope you skim it over for details, is that it allows people to "pick their poison" if you will and instead of a general reputation score.... it offers specialized reputation.

Hard to go over again without retyping the whole post lol. I do hope you read it (and it's follow up so so sorry) as it talks specifically to this....
Bounties For Badges
If It Were Mine To Change

I think both these posts really bring out ways for people to take pride in what's built on the account, giving the account a value beyond the wallet. It also offers "at-a-glance" credentials to a person. Anyway, I do hope you skim over and read as I am in love with this concept.

Very cool. Yeah, I'll give them a read, for sure. :)

That picture is priceless, haha!

Is that you as a wee one, @piedpiper? Adorable! Yeah - reps. What counts in the long run is consistency. Thanks for the thoughtful post.

Yup. Just sittin' there in the high chair, mindin' my business when pop! Suction cup dart to the dome.

I prefer to write with some degree of privacy on Steemit because I want to keep my identity hidden from my workplace and family. I suppose it would be impossible to delete all of my posts? Is it possible to wipe the slate clean here on Steemit?

Everything posted here is saved forever on the blockchain and can't be deleted. If I were in your position, I'd nullify the threat before posting anything that might trigger your attacker. Very sorry that you have to deal with that :/ I highly doubt transparency will ever be required though so you should be fine.

if you are in hiding, you can't hide on a blockchain

No, I'm not in hiding but what do you mean? Could he look at my IP address here and discover where I lived?

call him and ask him :).. face fears to get pass them

Can't be in contact as it would break the terms of the restraining order I have on him.

Sounds like you could also use a sidearm. If you're seriously in danger of being assaulted, you owe it to yourself to remove your physical disadvantage.

if he starts looking for you, then revealing any personal details about your life on steemit is not a good idea, even if you never identify yourself, him knowing your personal details can be used to filter out who you are, by the looks of your blog, if all the info you posted is true.. it's already too late

Transparency is the way is what I prefer and probably how I live since I'm told often that I have no filter...haha. I plan it very safe when receiving suggestions for items outside of the steemit domain. Prudence is key.

Thanks for your positive contributions and thought-provoking articles too. As far as I'm concerned, if this is indeed a mutual aid society - it's definitely more difficult to allocate resources for those not revealing -enough- identity to be trusted, especially if interactions with the broader community is limited for organic vouching. In a way, there's still a subjective, not-digitally-measurable side to reputation no matter what rep-point system is being implemented.

To add on, improving on the rep system and getting new "quality" users on board, I've recently commented on @pfunk's post on it about some abstracted karma system, which could also add to a more "localized" kind of self-policing - you can check it out here :) - https://steemit.com/steemit/@pfunk/plagiarism-on-steemit-a-look-at-jpiper20#@kevinwong/re-pfunk-plagiarism-on-steemit-a-look-at-jpiper20-20160928t005947372z

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