RE: Steem Gamblers Association SGA: Fairbet
I think the logo should read "STEEM" gamblers association, given the other networks cropping up lately (ie weedcash, pal etc)... STEEMit has no connection with these games but the blockchain does. Aside from that it sounds like a great initiative, I've been burnt too often and rarely play anything other than DrugWars anymore.
SteemBet played us like a fiddle.
The only way to be successful is to demand KYD (know your developer) or AMA's from the founders/developers. Problem is, most of these dApps cannot attain licences for numerous reasons from jurisdiction to cost. If they release identity data, they risk going to jail and/or worse: creating a chain that may end up with popular players getting subpoenas (a la SEC).
It's a dilemma, but ranting at them will (never) help if they can just pack up and leave without a trace. The best we can do is provide warnings to fellow Steemies and down-vote the scam accounts to hell...
Now that I think about it, LETS DO THIS! 🤣😂
Update: You will need a developer who can check/validate smart contracts and dApp code/s. Having a 'quantstamp' like service on STEEM is a good look, without that we can never be 100% sure about a casino project. Probably Fair also means open source and most forget this.
Thanks, I updated it and will add it as the picture to the new account soon.
It's not important that we get their DNA and fingerprints, the SEC can find out who these people are if they care to. I would just like to know a little bit about them, like what country they are operating from, languages the teams speak, the related Steemit accounts, etc. It builds trust. I don't share my name either but I would be happy to if it were anonymous to prove my age and country of residence to play in accordance with the law.
It's a great idea to have someone look at the coding but if enough of us talk about these sites we will be able to share our experiences and should notice if anything odd is happening. If I've seen a few 1/100000 events in a row I would want to audit their codes. If it happens once or twice I can understand but it's good to see how often it is happening and to how many people. At least we can share our experiences to see if there is a pattern in the 'randomness'
We need a forum that is not controlled by any one particular gambling site but they are all welcomed and encouraged to join our discussion. The plan is to make a discord with general chatting, post sharing that's topical and announcements. If a site has a positive review in most of the categories it can be extremely beneficial and they will want to be on our good side. We can also share posts comparing the odds and expected return from dividends on these sites now that the tokens are starting to settle at a particular value. There is a lot of confusion.
Welp, not much we can do then. It's impossible to hold people accountable without their ID info (not sure where dna came from but ok). The minute you go snooping, they leave, creeate a new account and scam at us again... ie. if Magic Dice or SteemBet rebrands they will just scam everyone (again).
Look at SteemBet, we tried diplomacy, that didn't work. In fact it allowed them to scam more Steemians down the line after appeasing us with the 5X. Personally, from now on, I'll only invest my time in games where I can:
Anything else may help, but honesly the'll just play us again without those two factors. That goes for most dApps and blockchains outside of STEEM.
The fact that we can actually flag down the accounts is a huge plus, but it doesn't stop them from evolving each time and scamming us again.
As for the forum, we try StateOfTheDapps, dAppRadar, Twitter, can even create a forum on STEEM using #Tokenbb... but it's all in vein if we cannot stop them from the rinse and repeat nature of these dApps.
Hire a dev to work with SGA and I'll delegate SP for sure.
I made a Discord https://discord.gg/REEd2m which should be fine for now along with comments in a weekly post. This can evolve if there is more of a need, I am not asking for SP, Steem or $ at this point, I am only asking for information and opinions. If someone finds this information useful, tips are always welcome. I just hope to save people's time and money from future scammers.
I agree with you completely about not investing in sites where the owners are anonymous and you know I brought this up a few times when asked about my interest in buying SPT. Everyone should be able to go to a centralized account, @fairbet to see all the information regarding Steem gambling sites in one place side by side. It can make weekly posts with an updated chart showing the info we need to know. Anonymous = Yes or No, I definitely don't recommend giving your money or Steem to anonymous internet accounts. If owners of an account want SGA to remove the anonymous flag, they have to identify themselves. There are NO EXCEPTIONS. There can be levels too, such as associated accounts with real-life photos (facebook/linked-in,) actual government id with a person holding it and the date handwritten like sites do, etc. I am even willing to keep this info confidential if they are afraid to publically broadcast it. Let's just say if they can't trust the Steem Gamblers Association to confidentially verify their identity then we shouldn't trust them.
Again, I am not asking for a delegation, between Fullcoverbetting and my delegation's, it should be more than enough to make a post a week. The threat of having a Gamblers Association flag your DApp should be enough to entice one to act fairly. Put it this way, @steem-bet is flagged right now, I do not recommend playing there. The rest of the sites are neutral at this time.
I think the delegation will help deter bad actors, the more the better as the down-vote will be significantly harsher. Accepting delegation from everyone can also help when upvoting posts from approved games, whistle blowers etc
SteemBet is small fries, @fairbet needs to be able to knock down a $500 promo post to be efficient. We never know what they may come with in the future 🤔
As an association, can we vote on these issues/features?