Not really, though. I don’t see it that way. AnCap property ethic allows for folks to organize however they want in voluntary interaction. Though I don’t usually identify as one anymore (usually use the word “Voluntaryist”) there is nothing more to the ideology than individual self-ownership.
Let’s agree to disagree on that. Capitalists call themselves anarchists to expand their power and their market. Everyone is free to do what they want, think what they want. In my experience, i’ll Take mutual aid for voluntaryism any day of the week.
I don’t do the ATD thing on facts, though. I’m defining capitalism merely as the freedom to trade. Maybe we are just operating from different definitions, which would explain where the wires are getting crossed.
Why of all the values and potential declarations you can make is the freedom to trade the most important one for you? Humans have traded since the dawn of our time, eons before capitalism existed. I understand it’s kind of a branding thing and goes along with crypto and all that, but on a deeper level it’s a pretty myopic thing to defend isn’t it, since trade has always and since the scope of anarchy is so majestic. People trade under the shadow of every variety of political and economic regime.
What else does voluntaryism stand for besides free trade? Sincerely...
Really? Try to trade
/start your own currency and/or market outside of state regulation. Choose to trade your money as you please and not be extorted by taxation. Then you’ll see how “free to trade” you really are.
And if you wanna bring things to the next level conversationally, intellectual honesty is a must.
Imagine we’re playing a game of pool or something so it doesn’t get too emotional. You are not the only person living in the reality you just described. You and everybody else. What I said in the first place is that institutions of power are what anarchy seeks to circumvent. But capitalism is an institution of power, the same as socialism or any other. What’s the difference between an anarchist-capitalist/volantaryist and a capitalist? And what do you mean about intellectual honesty?
Not to beef or blow up your post, but it's an objection I have with your logic. 1) I'm not assuming anything, I'm asking questions and trying to elicit answers. 2) I'm not judging YOU, I'm challenging an idea which is a massive difference 3) If I were judging you, I don't know how that would make your point, because I'm not putting any restrictions on your ability to trade... actually I'm giving your profile more value here, you should thank me.
Not really, though. I don’t see it that way. AnCap property ethic allows for folks to organize however they want in voluntary interaction. Though I don’t usually identify as one anymore (usually use the word “Voluntaryist”) there is nothing more to the ideology than individual self-ownership.
Let’s agree to disagree on that. Capitalists call themselves anarchists to expand their power and their market. Everyone is free to do what they want, think what they want. In my experience, i’ll Take mutual aid for voluntaryism any day of the week.
I don’t do the ATD thing on facts, though. I’m defining capitalism merely as the freedom to trade. Maybe we are just operating from different definitions, which would explain where the wires are getting crossed.
Why of all the values and potential declarations you can make is the freedom to trade the most important one for you? Humans have traded since the dawn of our time, eons before capitalism existed. I understand it’s kind of a branding thing and goes along with crypto and all that, but on a deeper level it’s a pretty myopic thing to defend isn’t it, since trade has always and since the scope of anarchy is so majestic. People trade under the shadow of every variety of political and economic regime.
What else does voluntaryism stand for besides free trade? Sincerely...
You’re making my point for me, judging me and assuming shit. Not to mention putting words in my mouth.
If you can’t trade, is that freedom? Did I say that was the only freedom? No.
sigh
Done with ya homey.
Cool man. Just trying to take a conversation to the next level. But that’s cool. Everybody can trade, always has been able to, always will.
Really? Try to trade
/start your own currency and/or market outside of state regulation. Choose to trade your money as you please and not be extorted by taxation. Then you’ll see how “free to trade” you really are.
And if you wanna bring things to the next level conversationally, intellectual honesty is a must.
Imagine we’re playing a game of pool or something so it doesn’t get too emotional. You are not the only person living in the reality you just described. You and everybody else. What I said in the first place is that institutions of power are what anarchy seeks to circumvent. But capitalism is an institution of power, the same as socialism or any other. What’s the difference between an anarchist-capitalist/volantaryist and a capitalist? And what do you mean about intellectual honesty?
Not to beef or blow up your post, but it's an objection I have with your logic. 1) I'm not assuming anything, I'm asking questions and trying to elicit answers. 2) I'm not judging YOU, I'm challenging an idea which is a massive difference 3) If I were judging you, I don't know how that would make your point, because I'm not putting any restrictions on your ability to trade... actually I'm giving your profile more value here, you should thank me.