Condenser Pull Request Submitted - Minnow Vote Slider (Vote Slider Threshold Update to 125 SP)
Currently the threshold for the vote slider to appear is 1 MV of STEEM POWER, or around 500 SP. After this, users can set their vote strength between 1-100%.
Now that hardfork 19 is in effect, user votes are up to 4 times as strong. I submitted a pull request to make the requirements for the vote slider 1/4 as high. This means it would only require 0.25 MV of SP (or around 125 STEEM POWER) to be able to use the slider.
I did tests with a user that had 120 SP (a little less that .25 MV), and they were able to upvote some posts with 1%, while near full voting power. After they have depleted some of their voting power they will start to get a "Voting weight is too small, please accumulate more voting power or steem power." error.
Once they reach that point, they can either increase their voting weight to 2% and continue voting, or buy more SP. They can continue with 2% votes until they get to around 50% voting power and then they will need to up their weight to 3%.. Of course, they still have the option to do higher weighted votes (including 100%).
I think lowering the limit to 125 SP will give new users an easier target to aim for, to incentivize them to buy/earn more SP. It will also allow them to spread their votes out more if they don't want to use up all their voting power quickly.
The pull request can be viewed here:
https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/1511
The PR is not accepted yet, but I plan to work with Steemit, Inc. to make any edits necessary to get it approved. Hopefully we will see the changes up on the live site soon!
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I 100% agree with the idea to lower threshold for slider now that voting strength is 4x in order to allow minnows to spread their votes a bit. A recharge time of 5 days is a really long time and in the new system as amazing as it is it will burn a lot of people out in the first day, where they don't even have access to this option except on the chainbb interface, and as far as I know there hasn't been any major drawback from chainbb allowing anyone to use the slider so it could at least be less than 500 to start
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you are amazing...keep it up...
Yeah, I have really reduced my upvoting. I think I need to go on an upvote fast as its really reduced my power and I like voting...5 days recovery is really rough.
Very good stuff Tim.
Thanks for all you do, sorry I could not give you more for this post but man, my VP is down to like 30% now LOL.
I love being able to vote for people and make a tangible difference!!!
No worries. I'd rather have you spend your voting power on other posts anyways ;)
A true gentlemen.
30%?? LOL. Many I'm at like 89 and I thought I was getting low.
This will sort the thing out but HF19 truly made a revolution inside an already revolutionary platform. This is getting more and more exciting. I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw today. Great moment for the whole Steemit community and Steem project. Thanks for sharing! @timcliff
Excellent work. Did I say this yet? Maybe not, because I can't stop thinking it..
The vote slider should show you "approximately" how much Voting Power you have left. That would make a huge difference, like this:
The numbers are not accurate, but it gives you an idea... At a glance if you knew how much your next vote would affect your remaining voting power you might be more apt to pay attention how much you spend each time.
Awesome idea!! I'll look into it.
I agree with you on this @timcliff and happy to know that you have raised a PR for this. It makes perfect sense to reduce the threshold of the slider given the fact that voting power has increased be effectively 4 times. Looking forward to the approval and changes :)
Great job Tim, I think this is a great update idea.
Which reminds me, I need to update my witness votes, I'm going to add you sir. 👍🏻
Hey from 8 to 7 😁
Cool, thank you :)
as a newbie, on esteem I can use the slider. I can also set the power of my manual vote via a few other apps for voting while in that app. So. What's the deal with steemit hiding it at all?
The platform already has a steep learning curve for new users. Introducing the voting slider after they have gotten used to the basics is part of it.
Also there is a limit in how small of votes you can cast. If you got it right away you would get errors if you tried to vote below a certain percentage. This is also not good for the user experience.
It is a little frustrating how many "oh by the way" things there are to discover. I, for one, would have appreciated a typed out list of the math and timing rules. .... oh by the way, there's this 30 minute weird window on upvoting for curating $, and oh by the way, you're not really in control of how your votes are distributed, and oh by the way ... there's rumors of other time limits too.
Has anyone thought about how rough it is and how discouraging it is and how shady it feels to self-discover these hidden factoids? I'm rather certain, there's more I haven't discovered yet.
And y'all are worried about trusting us with a slider that could keep us from voting ourselves into oblivion?
Change the error messages into instruction messages. Restrict the range of the slider for newbies, but please don't fail to equip the most active voters on the platform, those who are freshly fascinated.
Have you checked out the FAQ? A lot of that stuff is covered there.
The impact on not having the slider is not as horrible as you make it sound. If you vote a lot, the system will automatically start voting with less weight, since your voting power will be lower. It is the same effect as using the slider, just without as much choice on which posts/comments it gets used on. When you have so little SP anyway, the effects of this are so minimal that most users will not notice.
The decision was made that it is not worth the extra complexity to new users, for the benefit they gain.
As someone who has been here a week I welcome the chance to control my voting power at a lower barrier to entry. I am rather active so using up 40 votes in voting power a day was normal. With only 10 votes now till I get to 500 SP I have to be extremely selective and not as supportive in using voting power. While I do understand my voting power now gives more weight I would prefer to lessen it to around 20-50% when needed. From how active I am, and causes I support this would enable me to at least cover more bases.
Thank you @timcliff for doing tests, and thinking of the minnows like myself and, many others that wish to be very active and supportive on Steemit!
Slow improvments and building on the successes already achieved is the way to go to make Steemit even better. Hope you get the slider threshold in the next HF.
It actually will not require a hardfork. If they accept it, it will get changed when they deploy their next UI release to Steemit.com
Hello Timcliff
I have a question.(two actually)
My votes are ten times and more, of what it was. (From 0.01 to 0.10 and higher)
I, just jet, checked my voting power, it's 33% and still I give someone 0.10.
That's the info,and now my question, lol.
According too my knowledge ;), with 33% voting power, I could not give anyone anything, and certainly not 0.10, is that correct?
And a second question. Do I harm "myself" if I keep voting?
Edit; thank you for the article :)
The more you vote, the more of your voting power you will use up. A 100% strength vote with 50% voting power left is half as strong as when your voting power is fully charged.
There is really no harm other than it makes your votes worth less because you have less voting power.
If you vote excessively then eventually your voting power will get so low that it will not let you vote anymore until it recharges a bit (or you buy more SP).
Ok thank you for your answer. I really appreciate it.