RE: Fathers Talk About Their Unvaccinated Children and the Unbelievable Differences from Most Kids.
Through a lot more research than a simple google or asking a Dr. I have come to the conclusion that in today's world Vaccines are not usually the answer.
I have also come to the conclusion that once upon a time. They were, and in some parts of the world. A vaccine can very well save your life.
Traveling abroad without vaccines is VERY VERY dangerous but the risk is more so in getting vaccines when a younger child or as an infant.
If you planned on traveling to an area that a vaccine is going to benefit you I would recommend waiting until the exact time you are the healthiest and able to accept something of the sort.
Personally, my mother had us vaccinated when we were kids only because of a forced hand of the state and not being able to attend day care.
Thank-you for commenting Timbo!
The best answer for 3rd-world conditions would be better infrastructure, specifically sanitation, along with a well-rounded diet. Vaccines aren't going to make a malnourished person healthy.
If my children ever decided to travel someday somewhere filthy and diseased, they can make their own decisions on vaccines as an adult. I believe that with research on what the threats in that location are, they could probably just bring along proper water cleaning systems, and/or certain supplements that are known to prevent that specific affliction.
A person does have to be very careful with travel vaccines and getting everything recommended. For example a neighbour of my mother's, a young woman, came down with Guillain Barre Syndrome and was hospitalized for a long time because of her vaccines for a trip to Africa. I think that she would have been better off taking her chances in Africa without the vaccines, or just not going at all if she had known the risk of the vaccines. As it was, she had to cancel the trip anyways since she was hospitalized.
100% Agree
timbo I have watched your comments in these vaccination discussions and I see you have changed your tone from reactionary to much more reserved which I applaud, BUT I HAVE to challenge you to the same challenge that I have extended to anybody that is willing: show me one instance of a vaccine being efficacious and I will donate all my steem to your account and leave the platform, because of your claim:
But I am going to rephrase my challenge to evoke some kind of proof of your claim, so with the benefit of restating my challenge: prove your claim, that vaccines save your life, in certain parts of the world, at one time or another.
PROOF:
SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine
In the time of smallpox, a similar strain of the sickness cowpox would prevent others from getting sick if they got cowpox via working around cows, or by vaccine.
As your challenge stated:
So in Europe during the years 1796 to the late 1800s I believe and the proof shows, getting a smallpox vaccine was very likely to save your life.
In China in the time from 1567–1572 the below information would also prove that a type of vaccine, or inoculation which is another word for vaccine. The case of smallpox vaccines would also have been praised as saving millions of lives.
Now, don't get me wrong, the easy way to prove that there was a time and a place that vaccines were effective and the better choice is easy to prove yet... I will also have to state... this is no longer the majority of cases. Especially in the corporate world of the Big Pharma Companies all over the world trying to make a buck on the backs of the fear mongering they cause.
I do appreciate the challenge though, this was a eye opener and a fun dive into more information on the subject.
Have an awesome day!
~ @Timbo
First unfound claim:
Why was it successful?
Because of a second unfounded claim:
Any sources that back up this claim?
Also the second paragraph which deals with inoculation NOT vaccination I have to research their statistics and understand exactly how they derived them and from what populations, so wait for the follow up.
As it stands vaccination and inoculation are synonyms yet one bypasess (vaccination) the mucus barrier and another does not, so how is that the same thing? It isn't.
Source for this also? "The technique did have a 0.5–2.0% mortality rate, but that was considerably less than the 20–30% mortality rate of the disease itself."
How about this book detailing smallpox:
The Poisoned Needle
In the simple conventional/common sense how can inviting disease by inoculation prevent disease? Simply because milkmaids don't catch smallpox because (assumption) they have been exposed to cowpox, as if one disease could nullify another, and even more insane, a different animal's disease could prevent another animals similar disease, another assumption.
@timbo
I have found a newer edition of the 4th cited source in your wikipidea article over here:
http://nitroflare.com/view/CA9FF8B215AE805/Am-Medicine.com-180915-m4.pdf/free
It will be interesting to see exactly the statistics and the context and if they too are simply unsubstantiated claims or are actually facts.
Interesting, the 35% figure doesn't appear anywhere in the newer edition, but what's far more interesting is how there is absolutely a cacophony of assamptions and assertions based on conjecture without a shred of evidence, reading the section about fluoridation is laughable! Give it a try, see if you can stomach this "medical science", and please let me know if you have more "PROOF" because we both know that what you presented here is lacking in facts and hence has no basis to be called PROOF besides
Even more laughable
3%-40%? LAUGHABLE! Where are your sources? NOWHERE! Laughable!
a discrepancy like this is outrageous! And that there is no way to distinguish between the two yet... there is two!
And even more damning. WHERE IS THE VIRUS?! Nowhere! AGAIN LAUGHABLE!
Next..
Yes, yes ... I will have to do an articlw on the REAL history of smallpox.
What we have been told is mostly myth.
@timbo I posted the link to the pdf, did you have a chance to check my claims and the claims of the book? This is a snip of the smallpox section from the book just to show that I am not full of shit.
Indistinguishable... Hilarious, @canadian-coconut don't stop posting this, I took a hiatus from social media for a couple years and I am glad I did as steemit cannot censor us.
@timbo what do you have to say about what I pointed out?
I have been offline for 4 weeks. Just seeing this for the first time. What I have to say right now is that this isn't worth my time and I work a lot so I am not spending anymore time on this. Nothing personal just the last thing I want to do is sit here and argue with someone about who is right or wrong on a topic that doesn't have much weight.
Wishing you the best and good luck my friend! I do appreciate the time and effort you put into it and it is obvious you have a passion for this.
Have a great night!
I understand but that doesn't mean it doesn't have much weight, it matters very much because you decided to take up the challenge and I provided evidence of scientific/medical fraud and outlined the claims as unfounded. It's not about who is right and who is wrong, its inconsequential, it is about finding truth and exterminating fiction portrayed as truth.
Antibodies for immunolabeling by light and electron microscopy: not for the faint hearted
Read through that, the pertinent part is this:
It says in very clear terms that the method for gaining immunity through antibodies cannot be predicted, therefore you cannot hold a candle to the claim that vaccines work period, ever.
I see you have a passion as well or at least interest in this topic, why not take up the information provided and verify it for veracity and factuality?
What do you risk? Besides, don't you wish not to fall a victim to lies and propaganda? I sure don't want to see my fellow man mislead and fooled/bamboozled.
I read the first 2 lines of your comment.
Look man, it is a month old.
I didn't realize you did anything either, I commented a month ago on someone elses post, and you proved me wrong good for you. Can't be right all the time.
I'm glad you're back and just in time before the topic would have been locked and subsequently the replies. I have seen you change your stance from one of pro vaccinations to one of being a lot more open to information and critical thinking about vaccinations and it's effect and I respect that and wholeheartedly applaud you for that.
There's nothing wrong with being wrong because you believe otherwise! There is something wrong when you know you're wrong and continue on that path, don't you agree? Did you know that there are numerous cases of vaccine developers and researchers that have spent decades in that endeavor and then came to realize that it was all a big lie, found out that they had been wrong and changed directions.