I'll take my natural immunity 🖼 any day over vaccines💉
Hi all!
I thought for today's super essay I would talk about an issue very important to me. I don't normally try to get controversial or anything because I just wanna get along with as many people as possible. But it seems like not enough people here in California and indeed all over the western world want to do the same. And recently the damage from these things I hate have been growing, if you would like to learn more, @canadian-coconut has some pretty harrowing story's about it. In the last long forms, I spoke about my homeschooling and my upbringing, and this week I am going to speak about me and my parents personal views on vaccines.
I'll start by saying three things; first I don't want or believe in forcing people to do something based on my ideology, second I don't think people who don't vaccinate are the kooks the mainstream media portray them as, and thirdly I think the people perpetrating that stereotype and message are total shills. I also know that a lot of people who are pro-vaccine are just that way because of the success of big-pharma's propaganda and public (prison) school's indoctrination.
I'll be upfront, I was never vaccinated, my parents wanted to give me the choice when I got older, and I chose not to. And looking back in retrospect I am so lucky I grew up the way I did, I've been very lucky to be very healthy.
I grew up in non-urban setting, with actual trees and breathable air. It was awesome, and when you're little and you grow up exploring rivers and hills and the forest, well... things aren't as sterile as they are in the cities.
What I mean by this is that my environment developed my natural immunity, and that immunity has kept me safe for my entire life! Simply put having natural immunity is better! Here's how it works
Some basic tips:
• Take a walk in the park, or go for a hike! Play around in the dirt, feel free to prep your food on a rock!
• Talk to people, get exposed to others microbiomes!
• Don't get vaccinated, because aside from all the other sketchy stuff, if you do, your immune system learns it doesn't really need to adapt and that can make you and it weaker!
So yes, I grew up unvaccinated, and i am perfectly healthy! Sure I've gotten sick, but I've always gotten better. I have confidence in my body's ability to deal with the grime of life, unlike with others in my extended family, who's parents hover over them like sanitation helicopters.
I'm curious to hear what you guys think! Do you think I'm wrong or have you had any negative experiences with vaccines? Please comment down below!
As always please upvote, follow and resteem!
Lots of love
Kara
Aforementioned vaccination articles by @canadian-coconut:
I'm a PhD scientist. I stopped vaccinating because I think they cause harm. The medical studies that are often mentioned are based on fraud. It's tobacco science. Health improvements came through sanitation. Many of the vaccines weren't even added until after the vast majority of the decline of cases happened. Do your own research before advocating one way or another and don't just trust the studies.
Can I get an amen?
No, don't trust year-long global multicenter studies. Trust a "PhD scientist" from the interwebs.
Right, just blindly trust every piece of data from companies that make billions. I'm assuming you're still smoking which is good for your lungs in a house lined with asbestos which is great insulation, spraying DDT which will have no lasting impact on the environment, enjoying your walls which have been colored by leaded paint. Corporations can cause no harm. I bow to your vast understanding.
I just read a lot of shit and realized one day that they were lying, they are lying, and predict they will be lying.
@aggroed One of the most important traits to have as a scientist is to be open minded and willing to look at what scientific evidence reflects about the way things work, regardless of our personal ideology. If you just shut down your own reasoning with a "I will never believe them, they are evil and are full of shit and will never believe them no matter what they say!" attitude, you are blinding yourself to valid possibilities and solid evidence about how our world works.
Sure, there are models and paradigms we don't like or make us feel uncomfortable, but ultimately the way nature works (and our bodies, for that matter) is not a matter of opinions, but an objective fact that can be discovered through scientific research. One must analyze the big picture instead of just cherry picking whatever bits of information that make us feel more comfortable. Is research fallible and manipulable by bigger interests? Of course it is! But it is the best approach we have, and it would be foolish to discard every piece of knowledge obtained and verified countless times just because of a personal suspicion that maybe some of it might be manipulated, or because of a few known examples where there was clear scientific misconduct.
By the way, I took a look at your profile and couldn't find any kind of science-related content published by you, what field do you work in as a scientist?
Again, a lot of what you're talking about assumes that models aren't tampered with on purpose. These guys lie and manipulate data. You can be open minded and all, but gotta have a reasonable starting point.
You are using a computer or even a mobile device to write this comment. These are complex instruments that make use of various interconnected microelectronic elements (e.g. Transistors) and can execute complicated maths based procedures (think of Bitcoin mining). They are the results of decades and decades of intellectual work and experimental research by scientists in the fields of physics, engineering and cybernetics. Lastly, communication technology added the internet on top of the computer (developed by the US Department of Defense). Nowadays, companies like Microsoft or Apple earn tens of billions of USD selling this technology to the people globally.
According to your logics, the models that the IT products are based on were manipulated and tampered with (because scientists developed them and the IT industry earns lots of money!). So what will happen then as a consequence of the manipulation? Are we all going to get cancer from the electromagnetic radiation that these devices emit? The pharma companies will come into play and sell their useless anti-cancer drugs to earn billions of dollars and profit from all the pain that the IT industry has caused. Because, guess what? The IT and pharma companies have planed this all along! For the purpose of killing off humanity, even the evil scientists and developers themselves included.
Point is, you see that your smartphone or computer work because they do what you want them to do (most of the times, at least). You experience it with your own senses and can yourself easily verify the claims made by IT tech developers.
Now that is not possible when it comes to biomedical research because we humans cannot even visually distinguish a single cell from another, not to speak of macromolecules like antibodies or DNA molecules, due to limitations of the resolution of our eyesight.
It is understandable that many people will be very suspiscious of research in the field of cell biology since there is almost no way that a layman can verify the results himself due to the complex equipment and methods, time and knowledge needed to do this.
This is where science communication comes into play and judging from the article that we are commenting on and at least half of the comments, science communication has failed. This makes me sad and a little bit angry.
Great response! These people usually just take a stance and go "nanananana". You can't buy every fucking scientist out there! All theses scientists are people too. They have a family too! A majority of them is trying to make the world a better place.
Someone sane and with a humor- thank you! @replichara
Most people don't know what they think they know. They blindly trust doctor's and the system that gave them their training. They believe that everything is based in science and has been tested and approved because it works.
It is all a lie.
The system we know started with a Rockefeller and Carnegie funded study called the Flexner Report. Rockefeller was looking for ways to generate profit from his pharmaceutical products that began as byproducts of oil refinement.
Read the history and the money interests that control our current medical system. It is designed with pharmaceuticals in mind. It is all about the drugs and the profits. And if you think vaccines were created because they wanted to save the world, you have your head in the sand.
Everything is manipulated. Supposed scientific data, studies, etc. Everything has a price and those who control the money control the narrative also. Thus the vaccine propaganda.
If you are going to put information out there, at least make sure the figures you are quoting are not paid for by the system itself.
Hi, great post! I think you are absolutely right, natural immunity will always be much more effective than anything a vaccine can provide.
With so much controversy around whether to vaccinate children, it's good to hear stories from unvaccinated adults. My youngest child is completely unvaccinated, my oldest had a few. To stop vaccinating was the best decision I ever made.
" I think you are absolutely right, natural immunity will always be much more effective than anything a vaccine can provide."
Care to explain why do you think this is the case?
https://steemit.com/vaccines/@canadian-coconut/how-the-measles-vaccination-program-has-destroyed-herd-immunity
Here is one example. I think this post explains better than I could on this thread. Of course this is a controversial topic and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, these are just my personal views.
@katem The post you linked seems to propose that the single reason why natural immunity is more effective than the protection provided by vaccination is that it lasts longer. I find the reasoning in it confusing and a bit difficult to follow since the premise seems to be that for things to work out "naturally" mothers would have to get sick in order to then transfer their immunity to their babies...
It seems a lot of people are missing the obvious:
Here’s the important thing about natural immunity: to get it, you have to get the disease! There is no universe in which it is better to get the disease so that you are protected from future infections for longer rather than simply avoiding getting the disease in the first place! Personally, I rather my children never have to experience suffering the damage (and potential life-threatening effects) of contracting Pertussis, Hepatitis, Malaria or Polio just to give their natural immunity a chance to work by itself!
This principle is explained in the following article, which nicely dissects in very understandable terms why the span of protection provided by vaccines is effective even if it is not life long, why it is temporary in the first place, and why boosters are not such a big deal as some people seem to believe:
https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/05/10/vaccines-dont-give-lifelong-immunity-but-they-are-still-better-than-natural-immunity/
You have no "natural immunity" to polio or smallpox or a great many other diseases that haven't already killed or otherwise greatly harmed you because enough people vaccinated themselves to eradicate those diseases for you.
You aren't lucky your parents chose to not vaccinate you or that you chose to not vaccinate yourself. You're lucky you were born in a time when vaccines have done such an incredible job at ridding the world of suffering that you can choose to opt out and free ride on the responsible choices of others via herd immunity.
By the way, dogs don't have a natural immunity to rabies either, so if you have one, please make sure you upgrade its immune system with a rabies vaccine.
Actually it was advances in sanitation and public health (such as more widespread handwashing, clean drinking water, etc.) that started the decrease of various diseases. Vaccines for them came on the scene after the illnesses were well in decline. The vaccines may have helped, but they can't take all the credit.
They surely do not have to take all the credit. But they are a huge part of the medical evolution.
Do you really believe all that?
Agree. In Latvia, at one time there was a fashion to refuse vaccinations. The result was sad - measles and diphtheria pandemic.
Severely ill unvaccinated children and even unvaccinated adults - who, according to the logic of anti-vaccination, should have a powerful natural immunity.
But he somehow did not help them.
While non-government organisations are working hard to end world poverty, the World Health Organisation is trying to jab every child in poor communities with MMR vaccine. Epidemics of autism are now appearing in these communities. African languages use the term “the absent disease” for this new condition.
Children in affluent communities can also die or suffer permanent damage from measles. They are vulnerable if they have a pre-existing condition like cancer or pneumonia, or are taking immune-suppressing drugs.
The world's last known case of smallpox was reported in Africa in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that smallpox was wiped out — the first (and only) time in history that an infectious disease was declared eliminated from the planet.
The vaccine was not used in every country yet, the small pox was eradicated worldwide. Some countries helped without the use of vaccination and instead used quarantining, which shows that it was more then just vaccination that removed smallpox, it was undertanding through combined knowledge.
Stay clean. stay healthy. stay thirsty my friends XD
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Thank you for going out of your comfort zone a bit to share you point of view with the world. I think it's an important thing to do. It's so strange to me how blindly people trust doctors who say they need to stick their baby with a ton of needles and put foreign substances into their body right after they are born!! What!? I recently shared my story of why I didn't get the Rhogam shot while pregnant. If you are interested in reading it you can find it here: https://steemit.com/vaccines/@sylviategan/the-rhogam-shot-why-i-chose-not-to-get-it-while-pregnant
Thank you for this post. We as a society have such a 'quick-fix' mentality when it comes to disease and sickness. Have a cold? Take some steroids. ADHD? Heres some ritalin. But we don't realize that these drugs actually have a profoundly negative effect on our bodies and totally mess up our body structure. I'm all for natural immunity. I find that going natural almost always makes me feel better in the long run than taking medicine.
As a child when one of us kids caught something we were all placed together so we all caught it and it built up our immune systems and we never caught it again. When they first pushed for vaccines (polio) one of my siblings received the shot and there started her life long battle with her immune system. The rest of us had to be inoculated at least 3 times because their "shots" did not work on us, our immune systems were built up against whatever was in the shot. Only 1 time have I ever received a flu shot and I was sick for over a year from it, I am not knocking modern medicine and know there are places for it but I quit having any faith in their chemical cocktails to heal most issues and prefer my herbals that work with my body and not fight my body to get back into wellness. Great topic so will share it.
Great post. Thank you!
I have a son and i also choice not to vaccine him, from his birth until now fortuned he never get heavy sick
“Many illnesses (such as measles, mumps, …) are typically quite mild, easy to recover from and unlikely to cause long-term complications when contracted naturally during childhood.”
Mild? - Sure.
There are about 400 children dying from measles EVERY DAY.
10-20% of all sickened children get complications.
Really an awesome disease to have. It sickens me how you can really say that measles are typically quite mild.