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RE: Vaccines Increase Your Chances of Catching Infectious Disease - Study Reveals!
yesteday's post was seriously flawed, as he showed mortality and not new infections against the years. Mortality has gone down even as new infections haven't due to an improvement of medical standards in the 50s-60s. Infections have radically dropped after the start of the vaccination programs.
Injecting diseases prevents diseases ?
Cause and effect big difference
That's like thinking you can inject pimple pus (poison) to prevent pimples .
Toxoids prevents toxins ?
Cow pus eradicated small pox ?
Everyday millions of children are lined up and injected with toxic putrid substances grown on animal organs, cancer cells, aborted fetuses and other toxic substances. Few people are questioning how those viruses were obtained and how they were grown in a laboratory. If one would ask these sensible questions, one would become very enlightened about vaccine production.
I respect your opinion, but it is still wrong. The "training" of the immune system with weakened microbes/viruses DOES has an immunizing effect, which is well established by countless clinical studies all around the globe.
Th1 Th2 Th3
We have no scientific studies in infants, children or adults to help us understand the nature of the progression of TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune responses to any of the injected materials in vaccines.
Children are born with a cellular mediated immune system (TH1 cells – T-helper 1), a humoral immune system (TH2 cells – T-helper 2), and a regulator immune system (TH3 cells – T-helper 3) as major pieces of their overall immune systems. These three arms are immature when babies are born, and begin to mature as children are exposed to their environments through their nervous systems, skin, airways and intestines. Antibiotics, poor nutrition, stress, exposure to heavy metals and other environmental toxins, and the use of vaccines, may interfere with the proper maturing process of these three arms of children’s immune systems. In theory, if the TH system is allowed to mature, and is not interfered with, children will develop a mature, balanced TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune system by age three.
TH1 and TH2 develop to protect children from the outside world, producing inflammation and anti-inflammation responses to foreign particles from the natural environment. TH3 immune cells develop to keep the TH1/TH2 arms of the immune system in check so the body only produces the amount of inflammation and anti-inflammation that is needed to protect itself from exposures in the natural environment.
When TH2 cells are activated properly, either directly via the natural environment, or through a direct signal from the TH1 system, the B cell arm of the immune system is then stimulated, leading to the production of the desired protective antibodies.
It’s important for the reader to know that the hallmark of a healthy, mature immune system in children is demonstrated by an equal and balanced TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune response to the natural environment. TH1, TH2 & TH3 do not work independently, and require a very important synergistic relationship to function properly in our bodies. As soon as one or more of these three arms begins to over or under work in relation to the other, chronic illness begins to express itself.
Aluminum is placed in the vaccines to selectively target the up-regulation of the humoral arm (TH2 cells) of children’s immune systems, to drive the production of antibodies. The medical community leads us to "believe" that this production of antibodies is what imparts for children a protective nature against vaccine-preventable illnesses. Yet, this outcome may come at a cost.
More on this
http://www.nvic.org/Doctors-Corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx#ret3
I Have hundreds of studies and doctors that think otherwise ;)
University of Chicago researchers found that Memory T cells are “distressingly slow learners”, requiring “several generations” of intensive stimulation to make a lasting impression on T cells “No vaccine trial to date has been able to produce significant numbers of memory T lymphocytes...”
The Pasteur Institute found that “98% of the immune responses triggered at the early stages of infection are non specific. These non specific responses had been observed following different infections by viruses, bacteria, parasites and fungi.” This means that natural immune system affords 98% of the early response to an infectious disease agent, while the adaptive or memory-based protective response that vaccination seeks to stimulate represents only 2% of early response.
Our immune system doesn't need a reminder ;)
Children with agammaglobulinaemia have no capacity to produce antibodies after contracting zymotic diseases, but still recover from measles with long-lasting immunity.
Explain how antibodies determine immunity.
"Effective" means that a vaccine is injected (vaccination) into the patient, and the patient develops an antibody. Vaccination does not mean that the patients develops an immunity.
Scientists prove that the antibodies from vaccinations
ARE NOT NEEDED.
To prove this, scientists from HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, M.I.T., massachusetts general, san raffaele institute (Italy), and other institutes, co-authored and published on how they removed all antibodies from mice, leaving only B-Cells, which successfully fought off lethal viruses. This debunks vaccine manufacturers who say that vaccines are necessary to convey immunity. This
suggests that repeated vaccinations could be the reason why some vaccinated people lose their natural immunities, as their body tends to unnaturally rely on temporary, antibody-based immunities.
Immunity 2012 Mar 23; 36(3): 415-426:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359130/pdf/nihms-377739.pdf
The study, entitled “B cell maintenance of subcapsular sinus macrophages protects against a fatal viral infection independent of adaptive immunity,” examined mice that had been infected with vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV). The results of the experiment were quite surprising to the scientists. As Dr. Ulrich H. von Andrian of Harvard Medical School stated, “Mice infected with vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV) can suffer fatal invasion of the central nervous system even when they have a high concentration of anti-VSV antibodies in their system. This observation led us to revisit the contribution of adaptive immune responses to survival following VSV infection.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22386268/
First off, I really appreciate that you try to argument at the scientific level - this seperates you from most anti-vaxxers I ran into so far.
It would take me far too long to answer to all of these arguments in a comment, so I will most likely dedicate a post to it - but as quality takes time, this might take a few days. Is it ok if I mention you in this post?
One last thing: if you really believe antibodies are responsible for gaining immunity, I think you don't really grasp how our immune system works. To deny "training effects" and memory of immunic responses is to deny the existience of the adaptive immune system itself.