The dangerous growing divide between those who vaccinate and those who don't
Divide & conquer is the oldest trick in the book and we the people continue to fall for it time after time.
And more and more these days I am seeing a growing split between the two schools of thought on the subject of vaccination, with no middle ground to be found.
This image from the jungle book reminds me of a child's innocence when looking upon the giant serpent.
The Problem
There has been much money spent on a huge media campaign over the course of the last few decades, designed to influence the perception of the masses on this subject. And it has worked very well indeed. Today we blindly accept vaccination as common practice and Big Pharma is making a fortune.
I chose (after extensive research) to not vaccinate my first born child Esteban and posted about my decision at the time on Facebook.
In case you were wondering, Esteban is over 2 years old now, NEVER gets sick and has more energy & love for the world around him than you can imagine!
The Solution
Just to clarify what has gone wrong over the years, breast milk contains EVERYTHING a baby needs (including a type of NATURAL vaccination), assuming the mother is getting adequate nutrition. But the perception now is that you are better off buying formula milk.
Hmmmm. Not for my children thank you very much.
Esteban is a vegan like his dad, meaning that his immune system will be much stronger than other kids. He doesn't eat or drink processed sugar and ingests a huge quantity of raw fruit every day as a smoothie, so that it is assimilated into his bloodstream in the most efficient manner possible.
That's right folks, the stomach doesn't have teeth. So liquid food provides a more efficient energy delivery system, unless you masticate (chew) sufficiency... which few people do.
Esteban's 2 year old immune system is already much stronger than most adults. So I have no fears relating to his health.
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The Vaccine Rage
To say that the responses on Facebook were surprisingly aggressive would be a serious understatement.
Around 75% of my Facebook 'friends' and family suddenly jumped out of the woodwork (many of them after not communicating with me for years) to violently accuse me of nativity, child cruelty and even went as far as saying that my unvaccinated children were somehow putting their vaccinated children at risk, implying that I should be incarcerated for my crimes.
And these people were my friends! I can only imagine what people who don't know me might have said.... or done to me.
But how does their argument make sense?
Could anyone please explain this to me? How can it possibly be that a baby who is supposedly protected against a myriad of diseases suddenly becomes more susceptible to disease just because they are standing next to an unvaccinated child?
Despite the complete lack of logic, that is the mindset of the average media consuming civilian these days and my unvaccinated children are more and more becoming viewed as a threat to vaccinated children.
It is very unlikely that my children will ever be able to go to a school. Not a problem for me of course as I am planning to home educate, but many people do not have the time, money or inclination to take on such a huge responsibility.
The Division Begins
I felt so shocked about the intense hatred being directed towards me (due to the Facebook post) that I took the time to shoot a film from outside my home answering my accusers' points and calmly speaking my perspective. And I released the film as part of my ongoing series Sammy's Simple Solutions to my network of social media followers.
However, this just made them even angrier and didn't help at all!
You can watch the film here for a more detailed explanation of why I chose not to vaccinate Esteban & Luna. And see for yourself if you think I over stepped the mark?
The International Clampdown
There are an ever growing number of countries forcing vaccinations upon us now, through law, misinformation and brainwashing. Even here in Indonesia, the Balinese women save for months so that they can give their children the recommended diarrhea vaccine at the age of 3 months.
I mean what???? Diarrhea is a natural reaction to something that needs to exit the body quickly. So whilst the vaccine may prevent diarrhea, what are the long term effects of this? Ah yes, the requirement for more pharmaceutical drugs in later life to continue fixing the symptoms created by these pharmaceutical drugs. How very convenient.
The bottom line around here is that everyone trusts the doctor.
He must know best because he has been educated, right?
What people don't realise of course is that these doctors were most likely educated by a medical institution financed by the same people who sell the vaccines. And there are endless cases in which doctors have been exposed for accepting bribes from Big Pharma to ensure a continued flow of pharmaceutical recommendations. The settlements of millions happened in court with few mainstream newspapers reporting on it. Hmmm... could it be that the medical and media industry are connected?
I suspect most of you can already answer that question.
A Few Stats
Every single state in the United States requires children to be vaccinated before attending school.
In Australia vaccination is not compulsory but the Maternity Immunisation Allowance & Child Care Benefit are parent incentive payments that are paid where a child is up-to-date with his/her immunisations or the parent has obtained an appropriate medical or philosophical exemption. Ultimately forcing vaccination.
Slovenia has one of the world’s most aggressive and comprehensive vaccination programs. Its program is mandatory for nine designated diseases. Within the first three months of life, infants must be vaccinated for tuberculosis, tetanus, polio, pertussis, and Haemophilus influenza type B. Within 18 months, vaccines are required for measles, mumps and rubella, and finally, before a child starts school, the child must be vaccinated for hepatitis B.
And FYI, The World Health Organization has no official policy on mandatory vaccinations!
Recent News Stories
Two years ago in France a couple who refused to have their children vaccinated against polio, diphtheria and tetanus, meaning that their children were not permitted to go to school.
Samia Larère and her husband Marc argued that the obligatory inoculations may do more harm than good, risked two years in prison and a €30,000 (£19,000) fine for not arranging for their infants, aged three and 15 months, to have the jabs.
Their case sparked a national debate on France’s strict laws on vaccines. But ultimately changed nothing.
In Conclusion
Other than the obvious health implications of pumping your children full of chemicals from their first month of life onwards, it has created a 'them and us' situation.
Those who have woken to the beast that is Big Pharma and those who cannot possibly accept the truth because to do so would be to admit that they had knowingly poisoned their children. Indeed, this is a tough pill to swallow.
And it seems to me that the two groups are coming closer and closer to clashing...
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WE MUST REMEMBER HISTORY!
Let us not forget how Hitler managed to persuade an entire nation that the Jews were the enemy!
Having someone or something to hate is a very powerful distraction from the failings of the government and ultimately nothing more than a control mechanism.
This is a huge subject and I would like to go into it further, but the bottom line is this:
QUESTION EVERYTHING!
QUESTION EVERONE!
RESEARCH EVERYTHING!
Just because a man in a white coat holds out the syringe with a smile telling you everything is going to be okay....
...DOES NOT MEAN IT IS TRUE.
And please note that it is not the doctors fault that they doesn't know the truth. They believe themselves to have had the best education available and most likely genuinely want to help you. So, we must always respect them whilst still keeping one eye on the bigger picture.
Blessings to you all.
Do you think smallpox got eradicated by vaccines or not? Do you think that it is just a coincindence that with the upcoming of vaccines some serious illnesses dropped by many many percent?
And please don't be like: "Measles aren't that bad, I had them too and i am normal". - I saw kids get serious complications from Measles - Not a beautiful picture.
And yes diarrhea is a normal reaction to many bacteria. But you know what? Diarrhea kills millions of people every year.
All scientific facts are clearly in the favour of vaccines. Vaccines propably have saved dozen millions of lives.
If you are awake and do some research before vaccinating it is wonderful. But the joy ends when you just believe some single persons over scientific knowledge.
Just the 2 cents of a aspiring doctor. And no, I am and was never bribed by any pharma company up to date.
These are loaded questions, otherwise known as loaded question fallacy.
What is your basis for these questions?
Enlighten us with such fact that vaccines are in favour of.
You have no reason to imply this, you imply that the poster is simply believing or relying on faith when the essence of the post is to Question, you have not questioned or asked about the research they have done, instead you came out swinging with loaded questions assuming that when the person was speaking about researching this subject they somehow didn't realize the complete lack of data, of evidence for the safety of vaccines and their efficacy. You could have asked "what research" and saved that rigamarole for when you could actually debate, you chose to conclude various things and assume the world, hardly behavior of a inquisitive and curious mind.
Nothing more need be said. Thank you.
How's it going with the randowhale? Appreciate your comment and respect that we have all lived different lives.
Have you met vegan children with Measles out of interest?
There are so many things I would like to say in response to your comments, but as you are an aspiring doctor I ask only that you question everything. There are many smoke screens and mirrors yet to be revealed to you.
I don't think he has as vegan children are the always healthiest.
Sadly my little baah baah baah baah baahrbara ann always refuses to eat his vegetables
Hello, my name is Gloria and I am Baah's caretaker this weekend.
I think it's great that my little prince of baahrain has taken an interest in this topic, it's one that should be very close to his heart.
Baah has been injured with autism due to a bad batch of the varicella vaccine and as such struggles with a few things like interacting with other people.
Please remember this when speaking with him, after all he is my rambunctious little fellow.
I never would have guessed. I've never had the slightest difficulty in interaction with him. He represents one of the sharpest minds on Steemit. It seems the ones who have problems interacting with him are those who do not know how to think properly.
Thank you for those things which you do for him.
Thank you so much for your kind words.
Yes, baah has always been a bit more advanced than the other kids on the playground. I'm really glad to hear you say that.
God bless.
Some people think they are all the hoopla because they can call people trolls since they flagged their bitconnect scam post, and then when people congratulate them on their content being curated as crap they rage flag them (me) and in turn try to troll them, keep trying and maybe you will accomplish something, no?
Is 'baahs-caretaker' someone trolling you?
I just like trolling trolls for fun sometimes, it's so easy. They have only a few tools in their kit, and they're not very intelligent, the i-repost guy for instance, he goes back to the well on the appeals to popularity, from authority, and genetic fallacy no matter how many times I called him on it.
I does help me keep in practice for real debate.
Thank you for all you do.
They are trying, I am wondering what they want to accomplish because it won't unwrite the exchanges that happened between them and me, I don't know what they want, they aren't bothering me though.
Do you know anything from experience or just those things which you've been told? To whose 'scientific knowledge' are you referring? Is it the 'scientific knowledge' funded by the industry? Is it the archaic 'knowledge' that gets parroted over and over down through the generations without examination? Is it the 'information' pushed into law by regulatory agencies with incestuous ties to the industry? I gave up believing everything I was told, without examination, when I was a child. It's a shame that so many adults never give it up.
This is a really good post buddy.
Ironically, our 2 posts are trending right beside each other right now..... mine is on the poisoning of water supplies, by forced fluoridation.
I've been a water activist for a loonnnngggg time.
I hope you are well.
I'm with you 100%. It's hard seeing people around me fall into the fear trap, and I understand how for some vaccination might be a path of least resistance (to not vaccinate could increase fear in some people to such an extent that they might manifest even worse situations).
This is why I have promised myself to get my head right on this topic, so that when I do have children, I will be totally aligned with a natural, non-vaccination approach.
Awesome post!
Great post Sam, i also do not believe in pharmaceutical industry... Is just another way to control growth population... ;)
Supporting your project full time!!!
BOOOM!!!
Well said!
For me, it comes down to the use of force in that vaccinations have become increasingly compulsory, as you pointed out. Having to force vaccines on any population seems to imply evidence of their lack-luster utility.
If vaccines were as effective as advertised, a mandate wouldn't be required. People would line up and pay the price willingly. Research into the failings of vaccines wouldn't be so profitable if there weren't so many.
Making vaccinations optional is the best policy for all parties concerned. It will promote more vigorous research into vaccines as well as alternatives, because those options will have to prove themselves to consumers. If you can produce a vaccine that convinces an "anti-vaxer" of its utility, you've got a real winner on your hands.
Good ideas don't require force to be adopted.
Mandatory vaccination violates the Nuremberg code, being medical procedures performed without informed consent. It is in the very first line of the code.
You were lucky.
Vaccines were originally invented to fight smallpox, which has since been eradicated.
That wouldn't have been the case if everyone decided simply to let smallpox "be" and not get vaccinated.
Its sad when science takes a back seat to feelings, especially when the person you are deciding for has no say in the prospect of potentially getting ill and suffering because of your decision.
Its very trendy right now to flaunt an anti-science philosophy, but I think that is misguided. However, you could say that this is Nature's way of thinning the population -- where those that refuse to embrace protection from disease will ultimately succumb to it.
Ironic, isn't it.
It's one long diatribe, without substance, if you could stop attacking the person for a change and spouting off common knowledge that has no intrepid place in this conversation begging people to research, it's sad that you missed the point of this whole post, to question everything.
The smallpox narrative aside, did you research to see how much of the population has received the smallpox vaccine and how good the immunity is, and how unlikely it is that vaccination did anything especially considering that during vaccinations numerous epidemics happened in different place where vaccination was mandatory, and it lead to far worse problems than without vaccination. Also smallpox like other disease was in vast decline in incidence of morbidity and mortality prior to vaccinations and graphs show those disease (measles/mumps, smallpox) being hardly affected by vaccines which were introduced when the rates of morbidity and mortality were so negligible that if people were, as they were, injured by the vaccines or the vaccine caused the disease it was made to stop, then it effectively negated any and all benefits. Again natural immunity is far more formidable than the artificial immunity that loses it's effectiveness after a couple years and requires booster shots, which means that at no time could there have been a full immunity to eradicate anything since the population was hardly vaccinated in such intensity. When these efforts were concentrated and manifested such as forced vaccinations, this has led to thinning of the population, like in the Philippines.
Interesting, you say I "attack", but I'm just stating an opinion without name-calling or any kind of emotional bluster.
You've replied with a dense paragraph that is difficult to parse, so I'll wait until you clarify with something a bit less bulky and awkward.
If you don't "believe" vaccines work, that's just fine with me - nature has a way of sorting out who has a good immune system. I don't need to lift a finger.
The paragraph is straightforward, and comprehensible to me. It says everything it needs to. Parsing it shouldn't be difficult to a practiced reader. Did you simply not want to attempt to refute the arguments?
"You've replied with a dense paragraph that is difficult to parse, so I'll wait until you clarify with something a bit less bulky and awkward."
I'm not sure where to put this logical fallacy, is it an appeal to stone, or perhaps an appeal to personal incredulity? Facts are sometimes 'bulky and awkward' to those who do not recognize them as such.
Trying to scare people into believing what you believe by saying 'nature will sort you out' is a transparent appeal to emotion, and appeal to threat.
Walls of text aren't conducive to parsing.
Its a pretty simple request. But seeing how emotionally invested you are, I suppose there's no point in pursuing it.
Believe what you want.
"But seeing how emotionally invested you are" You seem to keep repeating this after every cold, calculated, logical statement that I make.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
I parse walls of text all the time. It's only not conducive to parsing if the knowledge of reason isn't present to do it.
Then, finally, there is the difference between yourself and those who choose reason. You see, I don't 'believe', I think and know by using reason.
You have no way of knowing that or validating that, that's why they aren't lucky, in a post that is begging you to research, you instead tell us that "you were lucky, it was vaccines".
Again, this isn't validated or can be validated, this is another masked attack on the person that wrote the article, and their "luck" and "not so luck".
Another character attack.
I'm pointing out the irony in the opinion of the original poster.
If you think that counter-arguments are "attacks", then I suppose you are too emotionally invested to have a logical conversation about the material.
As to your point about "luck", you can invoke any mystery force you'd like. The point is that survivorship bias is very real, and by only focusing on positive outcomes ignores all the potentially bad ones.
If I've never used a seatbelt while in a car, and never have been harmed, it doesn't mean that I'll never be injured. It means that for those cumulative trips I was lucky that there wasn't an accident.
But again, it seems this whole topic is just a tempest in a teacup, so if you can't see my point -- that's fine. Reality will intrude eventually with or without my input.
You're making character attacks, there is no counter argument in "You're lucky".
There is no point in You're lucky. It's simply stating that it was in spite of their belief they survived. Can you back this up, do you have a way to demonstrate that? No, if it was an argument it's a moot point.
You're comparing seat belt use with mandatory vaccinations. That's a false analogy, because you have yet to demonstrate any efficiency of vaccines and implying it won't change things.
That's a counter argument. You called this person Anti-Science, can you demonstrate that, can you even make it an argument? There's about 3 false narratives going on in here:
What is trendy right now, what is trendy right now is flaunting anti-science philosophy, and refusing to embrace protection. You couldn't demonstrate any of those, period, especially how you come to talk about anti-science philosophy, what it means and why and how it is so. It's one attack after another, I can break it down all, but it's not necessary.
I see the event horizon of the emotionally-fueled black hole has consumed you.
Believe whatever you want.
Character attacks yet again, which you cannot demonstrate.
If you want to insult me do it to my face, you could have as easily bit your tongue and let me be a fool, but instead you're predicting my future and speaking of my person, you don't get to dismiss the numerous character attacks with another jab at my character. Come again.
Hello, my name is Gloria and I am Baah's caretaker this weekend.
I think it's great that my little prince of baahrain has taken an interest in this topic, it's one that should be very close to his heart. It's one he takes VERY personally.
Baah has been injured with autism due to a bad batch of the varicella vaccine and as such struggles with a few things like interacting with other people.
Please remember this when speaking with him, after all he is my rambunctious little fellow.
Awww look a little troll that used to be @queenelenor is tagging along and following me. How cute, .
It is unfortunate when science takes a back seat to dogma. I would encourage you to take a more in depth look at what happened to 'smallpox' and it's supposed eradication. Repeating something often does not make it a fact.
The scientific method is about questioning, not dogma. Calling something anti-science, because you don't believe it, does not make it so.
"Its sad when science takes a back seat to feelings" -talltim
Yeah, I see the irony.
I don't know anyone who has had smallpox.
I don't see reports from independent news media about smallpox outbreaks and the consequences.
I don't see people in a panic, wearing face masks and rubber gloves because they are terrified of contracting smallpox.
I'd say that smallpox is eradicated just by empirical observation alone.
You can believe what you want, it doesn't affect my logic or my critical analysis of flawed arguments.
Also, there's Polio.
I don't see any crippled children from polio in the news, or in iron lungs.
That was also vaccinated to extinction.
But there I go again, citing logical arguments :)
Ok, tell us about Acute Flaccid Paralysis Syndrome. It's not a critical logical argument by a long shot, first iron lungs have long been outdated and replaced with smaller breathing devices, and the polio symptoms are exactly the same for AFPS, which is what it was reclassified as.
The smallpox vaccine didn't eradicate anything, in populations where it was forced vaccinations like the Philippines there was major outbreaks, and people developed other disease because of vaccination. You're spouting off nonsense in a thread begging you to research and calling your vomited "where's polio" strawmen critical logical arguments.
You were lucky is not a critical logical argument.
It's Sad, is not a critical logical argument.
Also there's Polio, I don't see any kids in iron lungs or the news, where's polio, that's not critical, logical or an argument, its nonsense.
I just did a google search for "smallpox cases 2017". The only "hit" that resulted in a direct case was a researcher who accidentally got infected studying it. That was in 1978.
You'd think in this always-connected world of smartphones and internet connections there would be an immediate alarm and flow of news stories if it were on the loose again.
I did the same search for polio, and only turned up a few cases in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in Africa, Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Not particularly countries that have effective resources to combat such a disease.
But it seems you're emotionally invested in your position, so I won't bother going forward. I don't have unlimited time at my disposal. Believe what you want, reality has a way of intruding anyway.
'I just did a google search' is the most repeated cop out that I see these days. Scanning the first three results on the first page is not research.
I realize this is a difficult and many faceted subject, but dismissing this information because 'muh google' is not an argument, it's an appeal to google, so is that appeal to popularity, appeal from authority, perhaps genetic fallacy?
What does that prove? That vaccines work? Does that prove that it's efficacious, or that it eradicated the disease?
Have you searched for what I pointed out? That polio was reclassified? There's numerous resources, that are still coming out on this, polio was reclassified, smallpox was eradicated by sanitation and improvements in living conditions, vaccines cause outbreaks of disease and the population was never vaccinated in such a way that vaccines could ever take credit for eliminating it. The same for mumps. Vaccines have caused more disease and death than the supposed things that they were fighting, and this is going on today with mumps still causing more deaths than the disease would. There has never been one safety study done on a specific vaccine, there have been statistical studies but not one study exemplifying why and how the vaccine is safe. There have never been any efficacy studies done on vaccines either. There have been libraries of research on vaccines, guess how many anti-vaccines ever went pro vaccine? There have been numerous virologists and people that were working actively to develop vaccines that had and continue to switch sides. For that matter of fact there have been hundreds of murders of microbiologists since 2001, while data like this still exemplifies why and how vaccines cannot work:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160575/
It's apt as you're putting up strawmen of my "emotionally invested" self, when this study is "Not for the faint hearted".
It's got nothing to do with believing.
There is much that the blind cannot see.
Polio has not been eradicated. It is unfortunate that you do not know this. It is unfortunate that you are so intransigent to knowledge which you do not have.
Iron lungs have been replaced by other technology.
It is well
And let us not forget Nobel prize winning virologist Dr Luc Montagnier who said "there is a link between vaccines and autism".
It's all about the money...
Very well said. Glad that you pointed out the fact that many doctors really think vaccines are good for chikdren because this is what they were told. They should probably be smarter than that and think with their own heads, but after all, they are only humans and believe what they are told, just like the rest of us.