RE: Free Will
"If a person suggests an immoral solution to a problem, it is not the honus of another party to come up with a “better plan.”"
Of course, it goes without saying. That doesn't mean the question won't be asked though. Inquiring minds will want to know if a person has any ideas that would be helpful.
"Still, as I say, the idea that there can only be one plan doesn’t logically follow, and an immoral plan isn’t better than no plan, even if that were the case."
I agree and I don't know anyone who's saying there can be only one plan.
"A more accurate metaphor to describe Adam’s plan is a man coming across a whole field of stolen cars, and then not allowing the owners to work out whose car is whose in the various regions, but declaring centralized “custodial” control and giving them to whomever, willy nilly."
That's not even close to being accurate. When did Adam ever say he wouldn't allow owners to claim their property? Everything I've heard him say is completely opposite to that idea. That's the whole point of being custodian is to return stolen property.
He's trying to do the right thing and has asked for help to figure it all out. Why do you not in good will understand this and try to help so the word will reach more people?
You’re still missing the nature of the issue. If Adam dropped the Voluntaryist label (he stated in the debate the plan wasn’t compatible with Voluntaryism) then I think a more constructive dialogue could be had.
What it seems like you may be missing is that even if Kokesh’s intentions were 100% pure, one cannot centrally redistribute trillions of dollars of land and resources accuraturely the market. If I find a guy’s wallet, I can check out the ID, and return it. If I find a thousand wallets with no IDs, those in the respective areas where the various wallets were lost will have to sort it out, because they know their own wallets, and know each other.
Problems:
I have tried to help him. He would rather sling mud. Did the same thing to @larkenrose.
He’s just another politician.
The nature of the issue for me is freedom and a solution that could restore it. That's the issue for me.
The idea of returning stolen property on a magnitude we're discussing is impossible, period. You don't need to add "centrally distribute" or any other filters because it doesn't matter, there is NO way at all to ever return that much stolen property perfectly. You suggest returning stolen property to the respective areas where they were lost. That's equally impossible to do.
I still think we have to try. We do the best we can. That's just common sense.
Number 1 could be debated for a long time. Number 2 - that's Adam's answer from the debate that I gave you that you still won't acknowledge.
Man, you accuse Adam of slinging mud and then turn around and throw out "he's just another politician". It's not slinging mud when you do it? That was a terrible lie that you just told. Time to self-reflect, reevaluate, there's an endless road to rediscover.
So flip the blame.
So what if Adam slings vitriol! You called him a politician!
Ugh. So what if the bully punched you, YOU PUNCHED BACK!
Absurd.
who's perfect... but it's a good thing always for anyone to have the mental awareness to realize it's a bad idea to throw stones if you live in a glass house.... and just stop themselves
Who doesn't live in a glass house?
I try but I'm not perfect either. If I thought Adam was perfect, I wouldn't just support him, I'd start a church and you'd be in the choir. joking some there, nothing mean.. lighten up, giving you the truth to the best of my ability whatever that may be.
btw, going through your debate video with Adam point by point. Just my honest perspective is all, just the facts and what my common sense tells me. I would just like to share my insights to see if anyone will agree with me. all with good will
Finished going back thru the video of the debate that you had with @adamkokesh.
https://steemit.com/anarchy/@truthabides/adam-kokesh-vs-graham-smith-debate-revisited
Summary at the end.
If you think that I said anything that's not the absolute truth, let me know. I can always edit it. Truth first.