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RE: Flag Wars?! Ohhhh I'm Coming 2x as Hard for ALL of you!! **PLEASE WATCH STEEMIANS**
It would be fairer if all the accounts on this downvote trail were genuine accounts though.
It would be fairer if all the accounts on this downvote trail were genuine accounts though.
What do you mean by genuine? They are all genuine people, no clones :D
Or do you mean they should vote manually? If someone supports the mission statement of a project, why can't they get fully behind it? If the project does something they don't agree with they'll remove their support again. Nobody is forced or even incentivized in any way to follow the trail.
It is necessary to bundle power, because the accounts grouping up to trade votes have a stake way higher than any individual that wants to counter the trading. It's only possible to make an impact on them together.
@pharesim
These are what I would call not genuine.
@antiretroviral, @shtup, @TagFlagger, @spirfu, @milky-concrete, @blockways, @joshmania, @dicetime, @roadstories.trib
3 posts in total have been made across all of the accounts listed above... all on your downvote trail.
But they obviously have an investment in the platform, and thus an interest to make it work and the same rights to use their stake as anyone else. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their votes only because they don't post? Not everyone is a content creator!
I really don't see the problem. Do you think they should offer the possibility for retaliation or not participate in the reward distribution at all? Would you say that they are allowed to upvote, if yes why?
I know one is an alt of someone who is more active with posting, but still, why does that matter?
When your list is made up of 1/3 alt accounts, it could appear as one person with a bunch of sock puppet accounts holding a grudge.
I'm not saying that is the case in this situation, but it sure does look bad. As I said, personally I think downvote trails will do more damage than good in the long run.
Steem auto offering auto downvotes is ridiculous... without even looking at a post just decide that every post made by that person should be flagged, that is petty, no matter the situation!
If you don't see a problem with this behaviour, or how easily it could be manipulated, then I think you are foolish.
Does that mean if I had 10 accounts I should get 10 times the say as a person using a single account?
You seem to be mixing up two things. The downvotes don't go automatically towards a person, they follow another downvoting account. This particular trail follows curangel, and the downvotes it gives are decided on every 12 hours by its delegators. We don't downvote for anyone's personal grudges, I guarantee that by moderating the submissions. If no valid reason is given which aligns with the whitepapers reasoning for downvotes, it will be removed.
Trails are useful to use your full influence when you don't have the time, you can follow someone you trust without giving up the possibility to vote yourself when you want to like you would do with a delegation.
I agree with your sentiment about automated votes for an account - and for me that's valid for both up- and downvotes! Someone should have a look at the post before a vote is cast.
Your voice on here depends on your stake. If you split it over 10 accounts which all vote the same posts or keep it on only one doesn't matter.
Glad to see I was wrong about steem auto, I thought that seemed a little too shitty to actually be allowed.
I understand that your voice depends on your stake. I still stand by the comment about 1/3 of your voting trail though, that is a terrible look if you want to be taken seriously as a positive movement on the platform.
I still don't get why someone who uses their downvote (manually or by delegation) would need to be a regular poster, or even just tell who they really are. Weirdly, nobody cares about upvote trails and looks at all the accounts in there. There are upvote trails with >1000 followers, many of them long dead.
We don't have influence on the trail, we didn't "create" it and we can't exclude anyone. It would maybe look prettier if they delegated because the list of downvotes would be shorter, but then they wouldn't be able to use their upvotes themselves.
On the flipside, a longer list of downvotes might give more people the courage to use their own downvotes. Idk, I just keep thinking out loud because I fail to see the issue.
With posts, fair enough. How does that go when it comes to voting on witnesses though?
Same, everything is stake weighted. The only way to prevent multiple accounts having more influence on anything. It doesn't allow for anything to be egalitarian, but at least someone with more stake has more to lose when they vote maliciously.