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The Model S is as well-made as any car I've ever seen, and most folks I've heard discuss Teslas disagree that they are ugly. The one I've looked at close up was impeccable in terms of fit and finish.

Your subjective appreciation of beauty is your own, but it isn't the mainstream view. Build quality I have personally seen is top tier.

Tesla Model S interior fit and finish is as 80's communist cars.
"leatherette" worns out on certain areas within year or two.

I see them all the time and they remind me of a Saturn crossed with the cars from Demolition Man, the x-type looks a lot like an Aztek

I guess the Consumer Reports can't recommend the Model 3, for what a Model S costs it had better have decent fit and finish.

Who are most folks that you have heard discuss them?

LOL at first I was going to ask, "have you been mostly talking to fanboys?"

Weird thing about Tesla is you don't find many fence-sitters. It's either fanboys or haters.

I'm all for electric cars, as long as they're not computer controlled. I have become a complete hater of self-driving cars, because of the control freaks that make them utterly vulnerable to outside control.

OTOH, I'm a complete fanboy of electric motor reliability compared to the Infernal Combustion Engine.

So, I don't want a Tesla anymore. Unless I can get one that cannot sense a damn thing or has so much as ABS. I want a completely analog electric car, or I'll stick with my 1980 VW pickup with mechanical fuel injection.

The only thing you could hack my truck with is an axe.

stick with the 80s car, probably gets better mileage than new cars. My wife has a car with many self driving features and everyone I tell about it seems to be very afraid of the possibility of it being hacked and the hackers causing an accident. But of course that is insane, someone would have to want to murder you and be capable of that type of hacking, unless you are a celebrity or have really pissed off some homicidal super hacker that is exceedingly unlikely. It seems to me that it would be exactly as common as people tampering with brakes or putting a car bomb in a car, it would happen from time to time but not be commonplace at all.

Here in the real world the automated features on her car have already prevented several accidents.

That said I prefer a mostly analog car myself, I hate how the new ones have to think for a while after you stomp on the gas before they go. I like a cable connected from the pedal to the engine.

Despite being super tactful (as you know from our interactions) I have somehow managed to piss off some homocidal maniacs with access to superhackers.

I'll stick with the analog truck.

So does that mean you no longer believe I am a paid disinformation agent?
where you can die the old fashioned way, because the non-antilock brakes locked up. ;)

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