Hey there,
I have read the comments of @savetheturtles and they really are disgusting.
Sorry to hear the you and other women were victims of these awful comments.
While I agree that these people should not be supported and even downvoted, from an objective point of view I do not see a proof of the link between the accounts @savetheturtles, @kawaiicrush and @trincowski (or @mitrado).
Can you provide some information regarding this link.
I had already linked the @mitrado account to the @savetheturtles and @kawaiicrush (after the account was sold from previous owner) due to content and styling. It was already known these accounts were linked.
Maybe you feel like you don't have to proof anything, and I understand that regarding the awful messages. But you do have a serious accusation here, putting @trincowski in the middle of the spotlights.
I feel like missing some more "proof" of the link between @trincowski and the other accounts. Even if you have some information, and you don't want to reveal everything because of privacy concers, the picture is not very clear without it. Is it possible to give something to clarify the link?
I am not defending you, just trying to look objectively to the case.
After having read those comments, I hope for you that this is a misunderstanding. Because if it really is true and there is proof, you will lose big time.
On the other hand, why would @justineh create such a post if she didn't have the proof to back it up?! I think there is more information...
Unless someone is trying to frame him I gotta say it's hilarious how bad people are at hiding their sockpuppets from their real accounts. Then again with proper detective work one can always narrow it down pretty well based on activity, timezones, style and how they write. I remember some people were asking me if they should sockpuppet way back in 2017 for some extra rewards and I told them that remember that one mistake and your reputation is gone. Meaning that it's enough you comment with the wrong account once and the blockchain will save that forever and it's gg, so it really is not worth it. Who needs mandatory ID verification when us humans are so clumsy. :)
I joined Steem because of @mitrado. Yes, I know him and he's my personal friend. We have very similar political views and I upvoted his posts like he upvoted mine.
But this conspiracy theory is just insane. What the heck???
You're destroying my reputation on this site because I have a friend who you hate?
As for the other accounts you claim to be me, I have no clue who they are.
Lol. Just look at the lame excuse your putting on. That's ridiculously dumb(I'm not sorry for using that word) . 😏😑😑
Your supposed friend attacks women on here and you did nothing about it. Lol. And You guys used the same account? Lol. Is anybody seeing what I'm seeing here? 😂😂. Savetheturtle was really a pain in the ass.
I support @justineh for any step she wants to take on this case. This is f*cking interesting 😂
Ok, so now I'm suddenly responsible for everything my friends say or do. What next? If one of them misses a credit card payment, you want to see my accounts frozen?
I'm sorry about what happened between you and him. Yes, I admit we shared the @mitrado account before that war escalated like crazy. Then I created my own account.
I apologise for all the things that were said to you.
Is there anything I can do, so we move on from here?
So how do you explain "your friend" mitrado updated his account data 3 months before you joined to include: "Name: Trincowski" ?????
You are DONE Ricardo.
Yeah, right. You need to realize that the front-ends you use to access the 4 accounts DO have IP address logs..... In any case, you will make the harassment on Justine stop NOW. Thank you.
It's called fingerprinting, IPs may be included, the funny thing is that he is speaking about it like if it's something only a +9000 IQ can find it.
The hypocrisy here is that most of them brag about coming to steem because of "privacy" but don't see any problem of using and collecting private information.
Did I release anything? Perhaps people should consider their privacy before they doxx themselves on the internet and then hide behind an alt to threaten and harass women and children.
what happened to you I feel very sorry for you @justineh
Unfortunately it is confirmation that there are people who devote their time to insulting and hating.
And the thing that makes me angry when you target women!
As for the methods of @jaguar.force I agree and continue to fight for Steemit clean and without cheating.
As a teacher, I try to make my students understand the value of loyalty and honesty.
I'm not behind those two accounts nor have anything to do with them and @justine is being unfair to me. She has no proof to make the accusations she's making.
I'm sorry, but if you're a witness to a crime, you have to report it. If it wasn't you, you had your friend use your account very unfair. We're on the edge of the complaint. For much less we can end up before a judge, especially when it comes to insults, defamation and hatred.
You're going to have to prove with the facts and the evidence that you're clean.
A fairly minor mistake, in my opinion :)
I hope others take the time to examine the accounts in question - as it really is quite obvious that they have nothing to do with you.
Savetheturtles and kawaii are linked.. yep. And they are also linked to mitrado. If trincowski here only “shared” the mitrado account, well there is no way I can prove otherwise.. can I?
I’m sure it was just a big mistake on his part to share a financial account with a person he cannot claim he is not.
You clearly don’t understand how IP addresses work and please quit claiming that I have said I have them.
I’m asking you if you and mitrado are claiming to have no idea who the kawaiicrush account even is.. as you said the only thing mitrado knows is that he got some support from her, that’s it.
First look I give to your blog @justineh, hii! I'm so sorry for what is happening here with you.
I read some comments from @trincowski and well, as far I know he is saying that he and his friend were sharing the same account months ago, right?
So I say he should take responsibility for it, if his friend behaved like an idiot in the community, the evidence says that clearly the accounts are linked. He is admitting that his friend and he shared a account, then he should take responsibility for that and know that the actions taken here are based on that. Sharing an account sounds stupid, in many centralized places sharing an account is something you should NOT do and this case is one that demonstrates why.
I think it's an excuse anyway, I don't believe him.
You have your right to believe that. But the other 2 accounts are not related to me in any way or form. I'm being accused with no proof, on that argument.
@trincowski are you innocent? Great, prove it. If this guy is your friend you know his name, how does he looks, his facebook account... Talk with him about this, ask him for recognize he was wrong, and talk with those who work here to clean our platform. Maybe you could show to them, in private, the proof that you are not this troll... Pretty easy. No more excuses.
So, I'm guilty until proven innocent, eh? Am I in North Korea? I'm done with this.
The accuser should be the one to prove the allegations. Since she doesn't, there's nothing else for me to disprove. She claims I own those 2 other accounts without a single piece of evidence.
I said mitrado is behind the accounts, saying otherwise repeatedly doesn’t make it true.
You claim to only use the mitrado account and not be behind any of the wrong doing.. fair enough. I most certainly can’t prove you just used your friends accounts (which listed trincowski as the name) and didn’t take part in any of the other actions.
Kind of silly to try to twist things on a blockchain, where all transactions are kept for eternity 🤷♀️
Your rep is a 66, and I stated that if some proof comes forward that I am wrong, I will make it up.
You seem to only want to make excuses for the mitrado account and won’t even admit if you were in control of it or not.
You may want to have a chat with your buddy mitrado as working with a crazy Canadian woman to attack and threaten people isn’t a great plan.. really can backfire.
My post shows that your account is directly linked to the mitrado account, and you do not refute it. Your excuse is not one I can disprove, so I guess I have to take your word on it.
Literally you are being accused of doing something wrong, you are not proving the opposite, and is so easy to do that everything you say just makes you more suspicious. Anyone with the truth on his side has no fear of it... are you afraid of something?
Well, is pretty easy for me, I can show where I am and what do I do in my day... Do you wanna know i'n not handling those accounts? Well, I don't upvote them neither, that's pretty weird... I live in Venezuela, I speak Spanish as native language and never studied English, and believe me, people notice. The part that is not clear is why if you know one them personally you don't talk to him personally? If he shows up the whole theory will not be believable.
But proving that I'm not those accounts is not as easy as you say. It's my word against hers. She cannot prove that I own those accounts just like I cannot prove I don't own them.
Unless someone subpoenas the Steempeak, Steemit and eSteem websites and they provide us the list of IP Addresses of all the accounts, it will always be her word against mine.
These individuals have not only spammed my own blog with threats, harassment, slander etc.. but have sent threats to me personally as well as attempting to doxx me to release my personal information. But they are also responsible for trolling and harassing countless people here.
Many times I have been told that it is just something I need to deal with
This is the problem with not having any property rights on steem. Fortunately that is mostly fixed with tribes, and I expect will also be fixed with SMTs.
In situations where you have property rights, you can refuse to interact with terrible people.
As solid proof would provide your precise location and I am not someone who will share that. I know you are the kind of person who would share that, but I am not.
Your game is done. You have harassed enough people. Move on from it and learn something.
I’ve not asked for you to be blacklisted or anything of the sort. I stated to stop the harassment and asked the community to not support you due to the harassment.
i get attacked by casino and gambling addict @acidyo a lot i know what you mean
Hey there,
I have read the comments of @savetheturtles and they really are disgusting.
Sorry to hear the you and other women were victims of these awful comments.
While I agree that these people should not be supported and even downvoted, from an objective point of view I do not see a proof of the link between the accounts @savetheturtles, @kawaiicrush and @trincowski (or @mitrado).
Can you provide some information regarding this link.
Maybe you feel like you don't have to proof anything, and I understand that regarding the awful messages. But you do have a serious accusation here, putting @trincowski in the middle of the spotlights.
I feel like missing some more "proof" of the link between @trincowski and the other accounts. Even if you have some information, and you don't want to reveal everything because of privacy concers, the picture is not very clear without it. Is it possible to give something to clarify the link?
Thanks. I am still waiting for the same thing... 😶
I am not defending you, just trying to look objectively to the case.
After having read those comments, I hope for you that this is a misunderstanding. Because if it really is true and there is proof, you will lose big time.
On the other hand, why would @justineh create such a post if she didn't have the proof to back it up?! I think there is more information...
I asked her for proof, this was the answer I got.
No, good try though.
Disgusting.
Unless someone is trying to frame him I gotta say it's hilarious how bad people are at hiding their sockpuppets from their real accounts. Then again with proper detective work one can always narrow it down pretty well based on activity, timezones, style and how they write. I remember some people were asking me if they should sockpuppet way back in 2017 for some extra rewards and I told them that remember that one mistake and your reputation is gone. Meaning that it's enough you comment with the wrong account once and the blockchain will save that forever and it's gg, so it really is not worth it. Who needs mandatory ID verification when us humans are so clumsy. :)
Who needs to watch what they do on sock puppets when they can just blame it on a “shared account” when they are found out 🙄
And the comment with the wrong account can be quite comical sometimes.
It's true.
I actually share an account with @justineh.
Anything good she's ever done has actually been me, and anything bad she's done is all her.
Man... This feels good. I should "share" an account with @ned next...
LMAO
I joined Steem because of @mitrado. Yes, I know him and he's my personal friend. We have very similar political views and I upvoted his posts like he upvoted mine.
But this conspiracy theory is just insane. What the heck???
You're destroying my reputation on this site because I have a friend who you hate?
As for the other accounts you claim to be me, I have no clue who they are.
Lol. Just look at the lame excuse your putting on. That's ridiculously dumb(I'm not sorry for using that word) . 😏😑😑
Your supposed friend attacks women on here and you did nothing about it. Lol. And You guys used the same account? Lol. Is anybody seeing what I'm seeing here? 😂😂. Savetheturtle was really a pain in the ass.
I support @justineh for any step she wants to take on this case. This is f*cking interesting 😂
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I'm his friend, not his dad.
Do you police everything every single one of your friends does or says? I highly doubt that.
That excuse and this one carries no water💧. Seriously.. 😏😏
Anyways. Good luck to you guys.
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Ok, so now I'm suddenly responsible for everything my friends say or do. What next? If one of them misses a credit card payment, you want to see my accounts frozen?
Blah blah blah.
Idk
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So nice... and all I asked her was to prove her story.
share private messages is be "pieces of shit"
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Good try, move along. Your game is up. Keep it up and I will use what I have to file criminal charges.
The only one spewing hate, is you.
I'm sorry about what happened between you and him. Yes, I admit we shared the @mitrado account before that war escalated like crazy. Then I created my own account.
I apologise for all the things that were said to you.
Is there anything I can do, so we move on from here?
Pal ie strategy no?
So how do you explain "your friend" mitrado updated his account data 3 months before you joined to include: "Name: Trincowski" ?????
You are DONE Ricardo.
We were using the same account at that time. 😥
I'm terribly sorry.
Nobody believes this Ricardo, nobody shares accounts when they can create their own, and yours was created 4 days after mitrado supposedly quit steem.
The same day mitrado “quit Steem” ... for the first time.
Yes, and a big part of the reason I wanted a new account.
It doesn't make sense. If he quit, then it would make more sense if you just carried on using the account as you.
It was his account, not mine. It made more sense to start one of my own.
It was his account,
Not mine. It made more sense to
Start one of my own.
- trincowski
I'm a bot. I detect haiku.
Yeah, right. You need to realize that the front-ends you use to access the 4 accounts DO have IP address logs..... In any case, you will make the harassment on Justine stop NOW. Thank you.
Stop acting like a slave.
Make this stop? What do you mean?
As far as I know my friend has left steem already, so what harassment are you even talking about?
Then please publish those 4 IP addresses, as that will clear the doubts.
Unfortunately those logs cannot be made public, until a subpoena is issued by a judge, that is. But make no Mistake, the logs are there.
How convenient.
Then I hope you have any other proof because right now you are attacking me without evidence.
It's called fingerprinting, IPs may be included, the funny thing is that he is speaking about it like if it's something only a +9000 IQ can find it.
The hypocrisy here is that most of them brag about coming to steem because of "privacy" but don't see any problem of using and collecting private information.
Did I release anything? Perhaps people should consider their privacy before they doxx themselves on the internet and then hide behind an alt to threaten and harass women and children.
Kick rocks dude.
Not bending the rules or your values when your interests are involved is called having integrity, something you don't have.
Let's see those logs, then.
if those logs do exist they are crucial pieces of evidence
Do you feel that's all there is to it based on what those accounts have been doing which she literally wrote about in this post you just read?
Ooft, you did the right thing in calling him out
what happened to you I feel very sorry for you @justineh
Unfortunately it is confirmation that there are people who devote their time to insulting and hating.
And the thing that makes me angry when you target women!
As for the methods of @jaguar.force I agree and continue to fight for Steemit clean and without cheating.
As a teacher, I try to make my students understand the value of loyalty and honesty.
a big hug
Armando
I'm sad that you joined this witchhunt, Armando.
I'm not behind those two accounts nor have anything to do with them and @justine is being unfair to me. She has no proof to make the accusations she's making.
I'm sorry, but if you're a witness to a crime, you have to report it. If it wasn't you, you had your friend use your account very unfair. We're on the edge of the complaint. For much less we can end up before a judge, especially when it comes to insults, defamation and hatred.
You're going to have to prove with the facts and the evidence that you're clean.
I agree he wasn't cool.
Unfortunately, proving that is impossible. We both used the account at the same time. I guess we have to part ways, Armando.
He wasnt cool but after you created your account you kept supporting him,all the way? mmmmmm
That's what friends are for.
@trincowski is not behind either the @mitrado or @kawaiicrush accounts.
What those 2 accounts have in common is a dislike of berniesanders, and by extension I suspect they have also targeted you.
@kawaiicrush went full troll following the revelations in this post - 3/4/2019
https://steemit.com/blog/@llfarms/psa-warning-dear-men-of-steem-that-photo-of-the-hot-chick-might-just-be-a-10yr-old-kid
@mitrado's beef with Bernie started at least a year before this.
@mitrado is not the same person as @kawaiicrush.
@savetheturtles looks very much like an alt of @kawaiicrush.
Hi @soma909.
@mitrado is my personal friend. I started using Steem using his account... but I don't even know who those other 2 accounts are.
I already apologised for the mistake but since we've both used the account at the same time, yes, she's half right when she says I was @mitrado. 😥
I should have never used a shared account but I was new to this and didn't understood the ramifications of that decision until it was too late.
A fairly minor mistake, in my opinion :)
I hope others take the time to examine the accounts in question - as it really is quite obvious that they have nothing to do with you.
Savetheturtles and kawaii are linked.. yep. And they are also linked to mitrado. If trincowski here only “shared” the mitrado account, well there is no way I can prove otherwise.. can I?
I’m sure it was just a big mistake on his part to share a financial account with a person he cannot claim he is not.
It is what it is I guess...
You have no idea what kawaiicrush is and claim neither does mitrado?
Exactly. If you have her IP Addresses, it should be straightforward to verify that.
You clearly don’t understand how IP addresses work and please quit claiming that I have said I have them.
I’m asking you if you and mitrado are claiming to have no idea who the kawaiicrush account even is.. as you said the only thing mitrado knows is that he got some support from her, that’s it.
I assume you can ask our IP Addresses to Steempeak, since you are part of the team. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
No, we don't know who owns that account and I am willing to use my 2 downvotes a day on @kawaiicrush if you want me to.
It would be unethical for a front end to release IP addresses and I would not support that, no. I didn’t go to steempeak for any information I have.
I told you in DM I don’t want you to downvote anyone, I simply wanted the truth.
I didn’t ask you who owns it, you stated mitrado had no contact with them and I was just clarifying that.
First look I give to your blog @justineh, hii! I'm so sorry for what is happening here with you.
I read some comments from @trincowski and well, as far I know he is saying that he and his friend were sharing the same account months ago, right?
So I say he should take responsibility for it, if his friend behaved like an idiot in the community, the evidence says that clearly the accounts are linked. He is admitting that his friend and he shared a account, then he should take responsibility for that and know that the actions taken here are based on that. Sharing an account sounds stupid, in many centralized places sharing an account is something you should NOT do and this case is one that demonstrates why.
I think it's an excuse anyway, I don't believe him.
You have your right to believe that. But the other 2 accounts are not related to me in any way or form. I'm being accused with no proof, on that argument.
@trincowski are you innocent? Great, prove it. If this guy is your friend you know his name, how does he looks, his facebook account... Talk with him about this, ask him for recognize he was wrong, and talk with those who work here to clean our platform. Maybe you could show to them, in private, the proof that you are not this troll... Pretty easy. No more excuses.
So, I'm guilty until proven innocent, eh? Am I in North Korea? I'm done with this.
The accuser should be the one to prove the allegations. Since she doesn't, there's nothing else for me to disprove. She claims I own those 2 other accounts without a single piece of evidence.
It's my word against her.
You all can believe what you want.
I said mitrado is behind the accounts, saying otherwise repeatedly doesn’t make it true.
You claim to only use the mitrado account and not be behind any of the wrong doing.. fair enough. I most certainly can’t prove you just used your friends accounts (which listed trincowski as the name) and didn’t take part in any of the other actions.
Kind of silly to try to twist things on a blockchain, where all transactions are kept for eternity 🤷♀️
Whatever. Your initial post damaged me enough. This half-excuse is the most similar I'll ever have to an apology from you. I'll take it.
Your rep is a 66, and I stated that if some proof comes forward that I am wrong, I will make it up.
You seem to only want to make excuses for the mitrado account and won’t even admit if you were in control of it or not.
You may want to have a chat with your buddy mitrado as working with a crazy Canadian woman to attack and threaten people isn’t a great plan.. really can backfire.
My post shows that your account is directly linked to the mitrado account, and you do not refute it. Your excuse is not one I can disprove, so I guess I have to take your word on it.
Literally you are being accused of doing something wrong, you are not proving the opposite, and is so easy to do that everything you say just makes you more suspicious. Anyone with the truth on his side has no fear of it... are you afraid of something?
Well, can you prove that you're not the one using the @kawaiicrush and @savetheturtles accounts yourself, @huesos?
How do you even begin disproving a wild accusation like that?
Well, is pretty easy for me, I can show where I am and what do I do in my day... Do you wanna know i'n not handling those accounts? Well, I don't upvote them neither, that's pretty weird... I live in Venezuela, I speak Spanish as native language and never studied English, and believe me, people notice. The part that is not clear is why if you know one them personally you don't talk to him personally? If he shows up the whole theory will not be believable.
I already did.
But proving that I'm not those accounts is not as easy as you say. It's my word against hers. She cannot prove that I own those accounts just like I cannot prove I don't own them.
Unless someone subpoenas the Steempeak, Steemit and eSteem websites and they provide us the list of IP Addresses of all the accounts, it will always be her word against mine.
How do you know which front ends those account used? :)
I don't. I know the ones I used.
Of course, and right now her word seems to have more weigh. IP is a good idea, transparency is part of Steem philosophy. We'll see...
I can always become an invisible curator. 😂
This is the problem with not having any property rights on steem. Fortunately that is mostly fixed with tribes, and I expect will also be fixed with SMTs.
In situations where you have property rights, you can refuse to interact with terrible people.
Those individuals are not me. But how can I prove that?
@justineh claims to have proof but she never shows it. Why? Because she knows there's no proof.
She's accusing me without no evidence. She simply claims to have it.
I'm waiting for that "solid proof" that I am using the @kawaiicrush and @savetheturtles accounts.
As solid proof would provide your precise location and I am not someone who will share that. I know you are the kind of person who would share that, but I am not.
Your game is done. You have harassed enough people. Move on from it and learn something.
I’ve not asked for you to be blacklisted or anything of the sort. I stated to stop the harassment and asked the community to not support you due to the harassment.
You can stop tagging me now.
You're attacking me for what someone else is doing to you... and you refuse to show that proof?
Sorry but after these accusations, you really need to post your "solid proof".
You know why you don't do it? Because you can't have what doesn't exist.
Exactly proving my point.