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RE: Steemvoter News: Paid Services, New Features, Steemvoter Guild, Anonymous Attacker (Part 1)
I am sad to see your posts being attacked, you deserve the rewards, but I guess those who don't use your service, and competitors don't like your success. At least you will have the guild and be able to use your amazing upvotes to support great authors. And voting trails sounds like something I will enjoy promoting my followers to follow my trail with your service.
People need to realise that this is an upvote downvote system.. A flag is not an attack, it's a downvote. The $90 cost of a steemvoter post isn't charged to the users of that service is charged to the community instead.
The users should be paying. I haven't flagged this post as I can see that they are moving in that direction with the "premium service" charge. That does not mean I won't downvote tomorrows post. We are gradually learning that this an unsustainable model.
If the pool is constantly funding projects that only a small group of the community benefit from, then anybody who doesn't benefit from the service can downvote the "funding posts" and this leads to the service not being funded. If they weren't downvoted due to the stigma arising from this false claim of
"attack" then eventually with more and more of these services seeking funding from the reward pool there would be no authors left to make use of the services.
The users need to be the ones paying for the service. Charges for premium services only will not be enough. Those who have downvoted this post are not attacking anybody. It is far more violent to shame somebody for how they vote.
Agreed.
In this case, downvoting is a strong disagreement on rewards, not an attack to the service. (Trolls also downvote but they do regardless of the level of reward)
Indirectly it is, because lower rewards means an unsustainable business model which will have to cost the users more in the long run or closes down the business, it's like a business receives money from customers and puts the money in the till, but before the end-of-day cashup, a bigger customer comes in and takes half of the cash away from the business. A lot of people don't agree with downvoting @gandlaf (@gtg) included; why not just upvote other stuff and shift the rewards to what you do like, instead of a direct "kick-in-the teeth" disagreement?
If Steem is ever to be mainstream friendly, the downvote method needs to be reviewed, ordinary users won't have a good feeling being on the platform, heck I've been here since April and I'm starting to get a bad feeling.
If you convince "investors"(who pays for your business) that your business creates more value than the rewards you obtain, no one downvotes. Before you insist a high reward that compensates your costs, I think you can optimize your business (that will your service more competitive), and make consensus with the community.
And I think downvoting is a stronger-level disagreement. People might just not vote for steemvoters posts and voted for other posts they like and that only decreased very small fraction of steemvoters reward. You missed this stage already, and I would like to recommend you not to miss the current stage again.
if business cannot convince people to pay for service directly, then in most cases business like this just do not bring much value to those users... or is not maintainable in the long run.
the authors who get votes from the steemvoter service is not a small group, it's a very large group, the last time steemvoter went offline for a few days the authors felt the pain more than the voters
Not all Authors did poorly, some authors did better, the entire reward pool was distributed anyway. It was just directed where the votes went, without the tool. If the business dies a new economy with new winners and losers takes over. Like any economy. Steemvoter does not create money, it just gives people a way to ensure they are "managing the rewards pool". Those who are auto-voting would be less likely to see new and interesting Authors, or improving work. It is just a way to say these are the people I want to vote for. sight unseen.
when whales are the only ones with bots, then steemit becomes less decentralized, I remember how it was before steemvoter, and it was not good for the average user who is not willing to suck up to whales, and beg for votes in private steemit chat channells
replying to the wrong comment, because we were out of space. I am happy the service works for you. You have heard the debate, and you feel you should continue using his service, there will soon be many, who will provide the same bot service without a fee. Anyway, the community can and should hear the issue discussed.
Everyone can still have bots. Several people have posted how to download and make your own bot. The whale votes are still going to a select few. Look at the trending page, it is slightly different than a couple of days ago, but the reward pool is not.
:) :) Agreed, it is not fair for the average user not to have a bot service and only whales allowed to have it.
The trending page will not look fair until there are curation guilds like the steemvoter guild being represented on the trending page. Without steemvoter my steempower becomes worthless, and would be better off powered down and converted to bitcoin. Making my own bot is work, and I don't work, I have fun with applications like steemvoter
Thanks for your positive perspective on our service, much appreciated.
The only bot service that can even come close to steemvoter would be a service built into the steemit web site. Steemvoter is way ahead of all other services in terms of development, and is pushing forward at a very fast pace, there is no and will be no competition to steemvoter, that is for sure
Lol. Xeroc's streemian service does not continuously charge the reward pool nor does @fyrstikkens open source auto vote bot. There is plenty of competition which does not cost the steemit community.
We have so many features planned and @marcgodard develops fast when he is not busy with his company's ICO. http://ico.equibit.org if anyone is interested. I @thecryptodrive have a bit of an idea generation disease whereby I can't stop thinking of new ways to do things so I have a huge list of improvements for the service for Marc to implement. The negative arguements however are making it difficult to focus and keep dreaming of cool stuff.
Thank you so much @craig-grant for being such a loyal and supportive customer and helping us stay motivated to innovate and provide a good service to the Steem public.
When you start doing the guild, if it earns me decent rewards I would be willing top give 10 votes per day to support 10 different authors, something to think about for the future features of the guild
I agree, it was very sad to see the attacks.
I feel like it was misunderstanding but I am unsure, it could well have just been New Years drunkenness. It sure looked that way to me..
I noticed the whiners didn't flag their own post for having more votes than views :)
We still don't know what "the attack" actually was all about. Looking forward to reading more about it.
Yeah, I get that... Was sad to see "attacks" anyway :)
I wasn't attempting to choose sides, but from what I have seen streemian trails appear to be in the headlights as well.
Steem On !
How so?
@majes:
Yhea, but that has nothing to do with streemian.com. We haven't used any of our customers voting power for anything else then what THEY have specifically setup (e.g. curation trail, scheduled posting, etc..).
If a client picked a curator and allows downvotes, and that curator chooses to downvote, Streemian merely executes the wishes of the trailers ..
There were loads of flags on post for having more votes than views, at least that was the reason given.