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RE: Can You Explain Why This Post Exposing an Alleged High Profile Scammer on Steemit is Censored, Despite a Ratio of 44 Upvotes to 1 Downvote!?

in #steemit7 years ago

I already showed how torrents is not unstoppable. torrents today are a shadow of what they were initially before the main sites were controlled via government dictats. If government were REALLY bothered about shutting down torrents then they would do so - just as other governments have literally locked down their entire internet to the point of farce.

If you are for steem and what it is essentially for, or decentralized distribution and unrestricted access along with no central authority with powers to remove access or effectively censor then you cannot be for "restricting or limiting access" or giving some powers that others don't have,

I did not say that I was for such control - I am simply highlighting that a significant percentage of the internet's users ARE for such control - that is all.

you cannot be for "restricting or limiting access" or giving some powers that others don't have

ironically, this is exactly what I was pointing to in the rest of this thread regarding the fact that those with the most money DO have 'powers that others don't have' in that they can hide posts in a way that I and the majority of others cannot do. You are somewhat contradicting yourself in the overall context of this thread.

So essentially you have just confirmed that all government can do is little to if anything at all.

Not at all, I did not say that at all and you didn't provide any explanation as to why you have concluded as you did here.

Do you recognize why the network is safe directly because nobody has authority or could compromise the network through any internal position?

I do not accept that any digital system is beyond compromise.

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I already showed how torrents is not unstoppable. torrents today are a shadow of what they were initially before the main sites were controlled via government dictats. If government were REALLY bothered about shutting down torrents then they would do so - just as other governments have literally locked down their entire internet to the point of farce.

They haven't shut down anything, the network is still alive and well, and even then people an simply use a VPN if the isp is banning the domain. So yes, unstoppable.

I did not say that I was for such control - I am simply highlighting that a significant percentage of the internet's users ARE for such control - that is all.

I didn't say you personally were, I said hypothetically if you were for such a thing you would not be for steem.

ironically, this is exactly what I was pointing to in the rest of this thread regarding the fact that those with the most money DO have 'powers that others don't have' in that they can hide posts in a way that I and the majority of others cannot do. You are somewhat contradicting yourself in the overall context of this thread

No you weren't they don't have as much power as a whale, but they have exactly the same powers, everyone has the same tools. Clearly not contradictory at all.

Not at all, I did not say that at all and you didn't provide any explanation as to why you have concluded as you did here.

When you said

There are ways around that,..

you basically said that what the government did was ineffective, if you were to be specific you would have to cede that position when VPN's get brought up, as they effectively make any government act null in that respect.

I do not accept that any digital system is beyond compromise.

I was specific about why it couldn't be compromised, which was again because there isn't a centralized position on the network. I didn't say that the network couldn't be compromised ever, or is beyond compromise.

No you weren't they don't have as much power as a whale, but they have exactly the same powers, everyone has the same tools. Clearly not contradictory at all.

I have no idea what you are saying here. A whale, in Steem - in my definition, is someone with a lot of Steem Power (which is able to be purchased with money).

It's a bit tiring to be repeatedly told what I am allegedly saying, when it is me who is saying it and thus me who actually knows what I am saying.

you basically said that what the government did was ineffective, if you were to be specific you would have to cede that position when VPN's get brought up, as they effectively make any government act null in that respect.

What they did was not ineffective exactly since I know many people who once used torrents who now do not because of this. VPNs can be compromised and most likely are transparent to those operating the highest spy technologies. TOR was created through a government project and is likely compromised at the very least through the running of corrupt end points.

I didn't say that the network couldn't be compromised ever, or is beyond compromise.

If you accept that all systems CAN be compromised and we know that, via snowden's leaks and other sources, that the government groups are going to extreme lengths to compromise EVERYTHING - then it you should reassess your claim that any government act is null in respect to shutting down Torrents.

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