New Personal Policy: Flagging all zero-value-add vote/follow begging comments.
I'm going to be flagging any comments simply begging for upvotes/resteems/follows/donations without adding any meaningful content.
This includes people, bots, or any other comment that has no explicit value or relevance to the thing on which it is commented.
I encourage you to join me; there's too much noise.
Is this a change in your opinion on flags? I thought I read a PR on github where you thought flagging should only be used for abuse? I may be wrong because I didn't go read it again just now.
Should we consider this abuse?
There have been many times in the past when some unsuspecting new user has been flagged for telling someone "great post!" or "thank you!"
Before the slider those flagged by whales for a simple comment were annihilated. I think in the same PR you advocated removing sliders all together.
The "human" spammers are annoying and need deterring but I'm not sure flagging them to the ground is the solution.
Value is subjective. I may appreciate and value someone saying thank you on my post. I may not appreciate others flagging them for it.
Also be aware that users have in the past used tags to encourage groups to form and do this within certain tags.
I don't see an all call for flagging as productive. In the next few days there should be a new group to respond to and help deter comment spam.
begging for follows is spam and that is abuse. Flagging just isa form of negative reinforcement, its not an attack on someone, its just a downvote. and YS flagging IS the solution, they wont learn otherwise. They dont read their replis, so thge onluy ay to get their attentionis to flag and tell them theyve been flagged and well, i believe it will somehow get their attention and theyll review their own commentys and se how they didnt make any money spoamming begs for folows. Im talking about the Asking for follows pam only here by the way
Good comment congrats getting almost $3 on a cmment! its an achievement! imagine if all ur comments got that much !
I think follow/upvote/resteem panhandling is abuse as it is not meaningful or useful content. It's just spam.
I should add a FAQ, but ultimately the behaviors on the site are much more relevant to setting our culture than an FAQ most people don't bother to read.
Personally, before I flag anyone, I look at their comments page, if I see a repetitive pattern, then they deserve a warning shot, and a flag if they don't respond and change their habits.
That sounds reasonable. As a new steemian, I imagine there are many behaviors on this platform that vary from others I'm familiar with, such as Facebook. For example, upvoting every comment or reply people make to me, because in Facebook land, people "like" everything. It will take time to learn about the culture here. I agree with flagging those with a pattern of "spamming" and perhaps offering advice to new users who seem unaware of how to be a steemian, rather than flagging them flat-out for a "first offense."
How about sending 0.001 SBD for upvotes?
abandi / best-strategy / steem-network / lucky-robin /
https://steemd.com/tx/adda0f696822eab45a5bfbbafc8e6539030e7ceb
https://steemd.com/tx/c9b79de7200ea8803e150c4c2974ddfcfe651201
https://steemd.com/tx/33c157793219640c533a3d4078ea0647886757e0
Employs a bot that opportunistically buys votes as late as possible on ready spam that was posted well in advance.
timcliff and gtg ignored my respective comments about it.
Adm made a token gesture of downvoting it, but obviously never had intention of eradicating it.
bernie either ignored or missed my comment about it when I commented to his "abusereports"
themarkymark was the first to negate rewards on a few of its posts, but ceased, because he pays rent on his Steem and fighting spam costs him dearly.
Anyx stated that steemcleaners do not fight spam, only fraud.
patrice's spaminator only acts against its marginal account in terms of spamming operations and rewards.
I expect more bad than good from patrice.
Maybe you will put an end to it?
Hi bud, just spotted u flagged a post from a pretty decent guy. Can I ask why? Just thinking maybe u made a mistake...if you don't mind explaining what i missed?
https://steemit.com/steemit-dev/@nettybot/say-hello-to-the-nettyvoter-bid-bot-0-25-sbd-minimum-bid-100-votes-2-hour-periods-potential-profit-75
I plan to do the same on people who comment on my blogs, been getting to much of that lately. :)
I have read some horror stories on here about people who flagged others and then essentially became a part of a bully campaign from the person they flagged. Do you think Steemit will have some anonymity added to this feature in the future?
No.
Just point out that maybe SteemIt Inc, and those who work for them, should spend more time on DOCUMENTING HOW this platform works and then maybe it wouldn't attract so many of these types of users...
I know the is futile though. I've watched SteemIt Inc for well over a year and have seen no signs of professional solutions to the problems they keep creating.
Flag away sport!
I've said this over and over again since I joined... it shouldn't be this hard for a newbie to understand; if so it's either too complicated and should be simplified, or it's too poorly documented.
...and yet somehow, you managed to make this comment. ;)
Lol, the basics are clear. It's the rewards systems that are confusing. As well as a few of the features and a significant portion of the rules.
Poorly documented.
And what's worse... Rather than just writing GOOD CONTENT on THEIR OWN Bloody Blockchain, they pre-mined through their perpetual Beta and handed a few oligarchs control over the platform. There is $100 Million Dollars of SteemPower locked up on their ONLY piece of official documentation.
https://steemit.com/meta/@steemit/firstpost
Straight up Fucn RE TAR DED!
Just a minute.
Steemit is a community. Although the hope that is grows into a better content platform is shared by many, society in general has deteriorated. Education has become nearly worthless. America stands last in academics in the developed world. Steemit is like a Walmart of people with few shopping at Harrods. If you do what you do you drain your power away from rewarding good content. If you reward good content and ignore the rest, they will eventually find it futile and go away.
Secondly when we start being the judge without guidelines we always go too far. People can start flagging based on religious or political beliefs.
I did flag a post once only because it was a racial supremacist propaganda and I still regretted it. No matter how offensive, it was still free speech.
I share your passion. Wish his platform was better but I am not sure if that is the way to do it.
there is a difference between "low quality" which is subjective, and spam, which is objective
I upvote you, so please follow/upvote me
Well I did upvote you and followed you.
and refollowed. One way I can tell who is a spammer is by looking at comments and posts...somebody that has 100 comments and it's all f4f spam? LOL ;> not you, btw!
Thanks Steve and thanks for recognizing that I am not getting 100 votes or comments. I guess this may be the only job for some or whatever. Who knows. I am just a wanderer here. Don't have much time for steemit. On the other hand I wish that when I open my iPad and look at new posts I could find something I would want to read. Days go by and nothing God comes up. Some flower pics, some porn some spam, just weird stuff.
If you really want something to read, you could try @greenrun, he is from Nigeria, and he has some truly remarkable little stories. He does not think of himself as a writer/author, however he has a very unique and talented way of relating a story. In case your wondering, I do not know this person, have no clue as to what kind of person he is like face to face, I have been promoting him a little bit because he is the kind of person steemit was created for, he is a content thought provoking provider. As for eye candy, I don't think you can beat @neonartist, especially his current work for a kids play area, it is some of the best airbrush painting I have seen since the 70's.
Thanks for guiding me in that direction
I second this, although it may be a little off the original topic of this post thread, but @greenrun has a great way with words
Thanks a lot boss. I appreciate that.
what it will come down to is finding the steemers whose work speaks to you; people that post on subjects you like...I guess it's putting in the work to filter down to content that you want to see.
the fewer folks you have in your feed, the easier to select for that
that is part of the problem with the f4f spam
The reward pool is limited. By flagging low quality content, you increase the percentage of the reward pool that goes towards good quality content. Flagging is a useful service to the whole community. It isn't censorship, since no matter how badly a comment gets flagged, it can still be read.
I have no clue. If a comment is flagged it will prevent that person from getting any reward so that the other commenters have a bigger reward? Or is that not correct either? I tend to stay confused, Sorry. Thank you for any reply and take care. Paul
It is like a negative vote. If a comment is upvoted to the value of say $0.13 and then someone flags it whose voting power normally grants a $0.10 vote, then the comment (or post) will end up still earning $0.03. If it is downvoted into negative value, then it gets hidden from view (at least via the steemit platform), although it isn't censored because the user can still click to read it after all.
Thank you for the info.
Did not know that. Thanks
This is why I want a block. Mute is all well and good for hiding them from ME... but it doesn't stop them from posting comments on my posts, it just hides them from me so I don't know it happened. I prefer to block them (trolls/spammers) from using my posts as a vehicle to push their own agendas. And downvote/flag isn't really the solution unless you're ready to sing tens of thousands of dollars into the platform to be of "worth" enough that your downvote actually impacts them.
Yeah I get them, but, I just ignore it. I will follow you if I like your contents, not because you followed me.
How about people who just save your labor, time, intensive edited photos and post it on their "Best Photo Trails" blog, saying we are helping minnows get noticed.
Ummmm, no, you just took my photo and people are following you for it.
good points!
I consider that abuse and would be fine flagging people who repost your stuff simply to profit from it without adding any other value.
If they want you to be noticed, they can resteem you or upvote you onto trending.
Hi @sneak, I found you through your flag / downvote of the Minnow Accelerator Project's Six of the Best" MAP27 Minnow Contest.
I first made the logical assumption that you were an asshat troll, but then I noticed the 64 rep next to your name and took the time to look you up and see what you are about.
I am going to take you at your word in this post that you are genuinely interested in reducing the "noise" on Steemit and supporting meaningful content.
I believe there may be a misunderstanding here about what MAP is and what that contest post does - because the post you flagged definitely adds value to Steemit and helps reduce the noise, so you are working directly counter to your stated purpose.
First - how does MAP add value? The entire Minnow Accelerator Project is designed to help boost up minnows that are actually creating original content - the exact kind of minnows and minnow posts that are drowned out by the spam and upvote/resteem/follow/donation posts. Minnows throw their name in the hat as candidates for the current MAP 6 of the Best contest - @richarde looks through recent posts by each candidate and selects candidates who are posting original content. So the first and most obvious way the post you flagged adds value to the community is as a curation post. These 6 minnows featured in the post, of whom I am one, have selected some of their best recent work and submitted the links in the comments. By my quick count the six contestants have submitted between them, in the last week, 48 original posts. You have submitted, in the last month... two posts. Each contestant receives a 10% share of the payout for that post you flagged, so you are directly serving to discourage some promising new content creators, content creators who are not follow for follow spammers, who are not comment spammers, and who in fact are contributing quite a lot of good content and helping to reduce the "noise".
Second, the post serves as a cross-pollinator - each of the contestants brings their own followers to the post, and of course some are going to like another contestant's posts as well. I have already found several awesome Steemit users through this post - check out @theneohippy in particular, some of her posts are insanely detailed and well written - check out herpickle post man! I challenge you to walk away from that post not impressed with her content.
Finally the MAP also provides a community to continue supporting the minnow contestants after the contest is over, and of course one winner receives a 200 SP delegation for a week. To someone like you with $100,000+ in delegated SBD I am sure 200 SP seems like nothing - to me that would almost double my voting power, and with the minnows and minnow posts I am usually interacting with, it will allow me to bump deserving comments up to the top of posts for more exposure. I will put that 200SP to good use if I win, and I am sure all other contestants will as well.
And as for the community? In addition to running a dedicated MAP chat room, MAP encourages past participants to vote in the current contests and counts their votes towards determining the winner. This means that the minnow entrants in MAP get to interact with other users who were just in their same position. I have learned an immense amount about how Steemit works in my two months on platform - and a lot of that was in no way self-explanatory or obvious to a new user. I am happy to share my knowledge with even newbie-er users than myself, and will do so with future MAP contestants.
So I ask you sir - if you really mean what you said about working to reduce the noise on Steemit and supporting meaningful content - please remove your downvote. And if you have any shred of human decency, add a nice upvote as well.
I can tell you that for me personally, 1 SBD is a big deal - I just lost my job and we are saving everywhere we can. I got a 1 SBD upgoat from @minnowbooster to send to this contest post you downvoted, and I intended it as a show of support for all the awesome content creators (remember that all entrants receive a share of the post's earnings). To say that I was disheartened when I logged on this morning to see that despite me giving what was a very meaningful gift given my personal financial situation the contest post had actually lost money would be an understatement. Make things right dude.
Cheers - Carl
Reasonable choice.
I think I might one day write a bot that automatically flags any posts with sequentially increasing integers in the user's post titles.
Post some OC.
I didn't downvote her. I downvoted the spam post.
Fair enough, if you think that is a spam post. I appreciate the response
Reading your replies to comments on this post it was pretty obvious that you were not, in fact, an asshat troll. Or at least not one of the garden variety. EDIT and I mean that as a compliment