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RE: Joining in on the self voting on comments fray...
I appreciate you doing all my thinking for me, @dwinblood. It really saves so much of my energy for more indolent pursuits.
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I don't like seeing my comment all the way down here. I'm going to upvote myself to the higher places.... :-)
Upvoted you to help keep it at the top because this post-HF19 Steemit needs a better sense of humor.
can you please explain me what is this HF 19 means on steemit
It means Hard Fork, which is a change in the Steem software(code) -> number 19
Dork. If you had a habit of up voting you own comments I'd be concerned, but I know you don't and you just did it to be cunning and comical. :)
I'm not sure how to approach this issue at the moment. It's still early a lot to think about. Most ideas I come up with are not difficult to circumvent.
I've solved this moral dilemma by upvoting your comment. We can rest easy now. Disaster is averted.
Honestly though, those people who are doing it exclusively, I find quite distasteful. They often don't upvote the post they are commenting on. It is alien to my way of thinking.
Yes. Exactly. It is very disturbing. I am thinking it may be worth resurrecting the two rewards pool idea. One for comments, one for posts. If comments for example were 20% of the total reward pool (maybe less even) and posts were 80% then at least there would be a stop gap/firewall to stop this illness from doing more than 20% damage.
Who'd stop them from spamming new posts and raping it that way, and what would that do with commenting being raped exclusively of posts, as it proposes.
I didn't say it would stop that. It would limit it though so it couldn't spill over to stealing and draining the rest of the pool for posts.
I think the split will work against that, first by making it more lucrative to spam posts instead of comments, and then by making comment rewards more susceptible to being drained, possibly discouraging engagement.
Spam posts we already have mechanisms in place to fight. That hasn't been an issue for a long time. Right now we have comment pool draining everything. I view it as a firewall or a stop gap. Everything you are talking about exists now. I don't see it hurting anything but it can limit the bleeding.
Short of that the community needs to withdraw all support, followers, votes, etc from the people that do it. Let them stand alone. If that doesn't work then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
I'm saying it will incentivize spamming posts, the equivalent of a cool post comment. We have the same mechanism to deal with spam across the board, comment spamming is just more lucrative now because of visibility issues, fixing that will bring forth post spam, granted it's more visible, it will be more lucrative while some will probably still comment spam and drain the incentive to comment.
How can we see how much the comments and how much the posts are making respectively? I think if we can see how much the average is then maybe we can determine a good split based on that.
I think it's steem's mistake to make upvoting yourself even possible. So hard to resist sometimes, when it's so easy to do..
If they didn't allow it that is easy to get around. Just create another account and up vote your comments and posts from the other account.
Most things that seem like a solution are not actually as easy as we might think.
I don't see many simple solutions to these issues. Thus, why we discuss them brainstorm and hopefully us as a community will solve the problem. I don't think it will be easy though.