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RE: Help I was unfairly flagged, I'm not a "bot" I'm a manual curator!

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And then what?

I was only referring to the repetitive image posting. Without that, your actions would be commendable, IMO. I don't think anyone should reward repetitive behavior that is easier for bots to do than humans. If we do, bots will fill that space and provide spam because, as you said, they are not thinking humans.

It's not about just welcoming with a sign and that's it.

I already said this:

Yes, I did take the time. I looked through your comments section before I left my comment. I saw image after image. I did not see actual relationship building.

I made my judgements based on what I saw browsing briefly through your comment feed. I guess I missed your other helpful interactions. Why not just be helpful without the repetitive image?

If you think the image provides value and others don't, that's a discussion to be had. As I asked in my previous comment, what do you think is the best way to go about having that discussion?

Thanks for brining up this issue though, as I see you are clearly passionate about it, and I do think you're making some important points about how subjective value is either rewarded or punished.

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I was only referring to the repetitive image posting. Without that, your actions would be commendable, IMO. I don't think anyone should reward repetitive behavior that is easier for bots to do than humans.

Bot's CAN'T do this:

Neither to help @judeperl being accepted:

Neither suggesting @seedsofliberty how to be best recognized as a real account:

Or @marissah

I have more examples to show and prove your statement wrong if you like.

It's not about a "repetitive image", it is, for example, about "rewarding" new users when they properly introduce themselves, so that they get more acceptance from this network instead of just being ignored. You can't program a bot to do what I did unless you program an human brain.

I welcomed 89 users in one week and took care personaly of their needs as new users. And didn't acted like "a bot" as it is falsely stated. I acted as a human being. An by "repetitive image" then now having a special sign is equal to "spam". I think it isn't.

I was unfairly accused of being a bot and my reputation (that got from 25 to 31 in one week) was destroyed in just one click.

Why not just be helpful without the repetitive image?

Exactly.

Repetitive posting is spamming. Don't be repetitive and add value with each post and there is no problem.

A good question to ask in assessing any behavior is, "What would happen if everyone did it?" If everyone posted a repetitive and/or meaningless (even if individually innocuous) comment or image on every new user, the system would be destroyed not only by the clutter but by the sheer volume of comments. If every user looked at each new user and made a careful decision about whether or not to engage based on common interests, etc. and then did engage in a meaningful manner, the system would be improved. Please consider the latter.

I did exactly that and already explained how I handled and helped each of the 89 new users I welcomed in 1 week of work, none of them complained (alltough a 100% satisfaction is also not humanly reachable on the long run).

Each welcome image is unique and aimed at a specific user and is "posted" at the right moment as a kind of "reward" that the #introduceyourself post is according to the expectations of this community.

It takes about 20 minutes of my time to handle an average new user. I am proud of avoiding them the feeling of being alone on their first steps.

"What would happen if everyone did it?"

That's just what I put in my post on reputation. :)

Maybe these things should be discussed before a rep goes to -2 though. A flag without that discussion can be quite discouraging for someone who believes they are adding value (even if others disagree). The value is subjective and should probably be discussed, IMO.

If everyone posted a repetitive and/or meaningless (even if individually innocuous) comment or image on every new user, the system would be destroyed not only by the clutter but by the sheer volume of comments.

That's not posible for humans to do as I already stated on my own introduceyourself

I said:

I am "human operated" and this means I will try to welcome new steemians but don't expect I will be able to reach every new #introduceyourself post out there."

In 1 week I could reach 89 people and it took me about 20 minutes for each "welcome action" because (once again) it's not about doing "the same" over and over again, each case was handled accordingly. Talking about a "repetitive image" is like saying using the "steemit" logo over and over and over again is like "spam". I just used a sign, but that doesn't convert me into spam or a bot, because each action was unique and handled according to what was needed.

If another person wants to copycat what I did, then better he'll be ready to exchange 20 minutes of his life to welcome each new user. Actually what would happen is that someone would be welcoming a set of 10 users and not precisely the same set of users I did, because there is no way to reach them all with this approach, that's the difference with a bot.

If every user looked at each new user and made a careful decision about whether or not to engage based on common interests, etc. and then did engage in a meaningful manner, the system would be improved. Please consider the latter.

The common interest here is avoiding the feeling of entering a platform helpless, for those 89 there was someone (me) welcoming and ready to help on the firsts steps.

That's the difference regarding how bot's handled the "welcome service needs" and how a human can handle it. And there is no doubt that a lot of people here in steemit apreciates such a service, there is even people who miss @wang, I just fullfiled that need but the label of being a "spam" creator or "bot" is unfair, because the demand for that service is real and if it is done by a human that invests 20 minutes of his time to welcome onboard a new steemian there is actual some value added allthough you personaly can't subjectively see it, but others do and apreciate.

So I'm just asking for laissez faire, let me provide to that market...

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