2040 - Taboo

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

Taboo

Today I want to discuss a subject that has been the cause of much drama in the Steemit community. This subject is almost taboo, because you can not discuss it without loss. It is the cause of divide in our community and a lot of pain to some.



Added Value

Added value was not a term used in the original Steemit whitepaper. Steemit started as a reddit model competitor and quickly deteriorated into a Medium model competitor, I say deteriorated because at the time Medium's business model was failing.

Steemit started with a huge influx of people, then the influx died down. People were welcomed with a wall of "Added value", content value, and presentation.

We simply shut down the door on the casual social media users, who are not interested in becoming the target of investigation as soon as they walk into the community, or posting "Quality Posts".. This is not a defense of the ID thieves or plagiarists. We simply set the bar too high. We were not willing to accept the fast expansion. Yet, if you ask any social media expert, a social media network's biggest wealth was and still is the number of users.

Witch Hunts

Why do we have witch hunts on Steemit? why did a community divide on itself? why label some large investors "whales" evil and some "whales" as good?

The fact is we created this divide, for one reason , and one reason alone. MONEY

We rewarded Steemians to go after other Steemians for exposing abuse, I almost fell for that myself, I looked the situation and quickly realized how bad this can be for Steemit on the long run, so I started an opposite approach, try to mend things between the opposites.

What is abuse? @nextgencrypto voting for OZ is abuse? so what was the developers voting for dollarvigilante ?

But the story does not end with one whale or another, the story continues, we still have the door locked, and we made it worse. Now we go looking for people who are a success on Youtube, Twitter, and Medium, and invite them here to reward them. They will do better for now, because they are not on one side of the fence yet. Oh and that "added value" is inherited from their previous success, until they make the mistake of joining the divide.

I will not talk much about the past and where we made the mistakes and created the divide. I will give instead a recent case of discussion and explain why "added value" is splitting one community and creating borders.

@kingscrown :

I know him from the early days of crypto, yes he PM'd me several times on IRC before slack was invented. What I knew about him then is he is a go getter, he never quits, will reach to the end of the world to deliver his message. What I know about him now, he is a successful Steemian, runs the fuk.io crypto blog and he is a Mod on bitcoin.com

You might not like his style, or do not appreciate the message, but when you need to know something about something, he is the one to ask. He spends 18 hours of his day keeping up with news on crypto projects.. ( and : I do not know why this "and" fell here, it was a typo, or a pm on slack that changed my line of thought )

So yesterday a case came up where @transisto thought his presentation of :

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@kingscrown/psa-freewallet-and-jaxx-getting-robbed-over-10-million-usd-stolen

was bad enough that it deserved a 100% downvote and another article about the same subject was better presented.

Of course @transisto have every right to his opinion, but here I will present why I think he is wrong. And why this falls into the same category of an illusion called "added value"

The other writer could have well presented the article in a much better way, could be using spell correction or better at grammar. Could be better at selecting words or images, or better at selecting the layout. But is that all that counts?

What we always ignore is what comes after, @kingscrown has reach, thousands of followers of his blog, thousands of followers on twitter, and hundreds who read his posts on forums. If we go back and track those Youtube famous people who we invite to reward blindly, I can show you how they get these views and followers, simply an ad inside an app on Apple appstore will get you 10 million views on Youtube. Yes those Ads you see in apps of videos playing for 30 seconds from youtube. Yet we decide to invite these people and reward them for an imaginary following, but we will "hate" on kingscrown and his reach.

We decide to reward the unknown and punish the known. How many people did dollarvigilante bring to steemit other than those people who were writers on his blog so they get rewarded just like he did. How many of you know about the playboy model scam that he planned with one of his friends to scam the community a large payout? where is that Model now with her millions of followers?

Did @kingscrown stop posting when the reward pool went down to pay nothing? or did he continue to write while those so called influencers gave Steemit their back?

If we do not learn to appreciate our own, we will never learn. Yes, @kingscrown makes typos, so do I, and so do you. But one thing I know, he delivers his message with honesty, he tells it like it is, hate him or like him, he is a better Steemian than your subjective "added value" playboy model.

@kingscrown can go buy a nice camera and post pictures of himself in Bikini everyday, but then I will probably downvote him myself.

For Steemit to expand we need to open the doors, if people see someone write like Charles Dickens on the trending page they will have fear, they will think "this is not for me". Yes it's that person with typos that will make people think " Hey I can do this "

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Of course @transisto have every right to his opinion, but here I will present why I think he is wrong. And why this falls into the same category of an illusion called "added value"

You think I'm wrong ? Why don't anyone bother to address the part I said was wrong about @kingscrown article ?

anyone with 10 second access to you network can get all keys to your wallets due to seed Jaxx generates.

Where does this "10 second access to network" come from ? It make no technical sense to me and I believe it's wrong.
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@kingscrown/psa-freewallet-and-jaxx-getting-robbed-over-10-million-usd-stolen
Still the first line of his article.

Instead this guy explaining the technical detail get hit by Kingcrown downvote without any reply about the issue.

You may also notice that I have downvoted about 12 articles that day and the day before, not because I found the content was shit, wrong, full of typos or a few day late news, but because I was simply disagreeing on the reward, I disagree on reward mostly because of that exponential curve we're mostly all agree to change in HF19.

For starters my post is about 2 wallets having issues, not about one so whole argument is wrong from the core.

For the second "where does 10 second comes from" comes from.. original finder of the exploit, currently he edited it to 20 seconds. https://vxlabs.com/2017/06/10/extracting-the-jaxx-12-word-wallet-backup-phrase/

Its linked in the article that you read so closely and downvoted.

Good to know you and andu are better coders than him. So from now please argue with original finder of the bug not me as you elite coders know better.

Amazing we have so skilled people here!

How easy would it not have been for the two of you to hash this out in the comment section of the original post. I don't think either one of you is a bad person. You should be able to get along just fine. I wish and think you will at some point.

You turned

anyone with 20 seconds of (network) access to your PC can extract your 12 word backup phrase

into

anyone with 20 second access to you PCs network

I really don't want to argue with you but adding ("network") time was an irrelevant detail related to time and not method of access. We're talking access to local storage there, whether it's accessed remotely or not doesn't change the time in any significant matter.

You completely changed the meaning of the sentence by miss quoting.

For multiple reasons, I also have been upvoting people that aren't necessarily the best writers and I don't limit myself to judging individuals strictly on this matter, though I do look for sincerity/honesty and as much quality as I can find relating to the group it targets.

Thanks for this important post, you are bridging the gap! All for one and one for all! Namaste :)

i think your right

i'm still learning how to use steemit

great response sir...

Thank you! Namaste :)

Welcome...Namaste;)
Love the greeting. A fan of Bollywood zeeworld . already ur fan following..and hoping to get ur posts

agreed. i read everything before upvoting to keep it real and honest, but yes quality is a must.
all the best and peace out!

@eric-boucher Namaste :)

You're on the right network banjokid!

Isn't commenting still contributing?

Haha, I'm in the same boat, but about 99.99% sure!

Best comment, of the day :)

"@kingscrown can go buy a nice camera and post pictures of himself in Bikini everyday, but then I will probably downvote him myself."

lol I'd pay money for that.

Edit: I could go for some bitcoin pasties as well.

maybe for one post I would too. :D

Social media can work in many ways. While I think there are a time and place for a downvote I'm not sure I would have used it there. However, I avoid much of this by staying out of it. I upvote what I like, comment on what I like and typically don't flag unless someone is straight up stealing content. What other find valuable, funny, useful, etc may not be the same for me. Thus, I let the people decide what is useful and I don't think so I just stay away.

@dzboston33 agree with your approach 100%. Well said.

and get steem from those who were downvoited well?

" Yes it's that person with typos that will make people think " Hey I can do this " "

...

Yep!

I really salute supporting real value and unknown authors who have a lot to tell in images, layout and words as well. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I put a lot of original content into steeming, sometimes things I didn't tell or shared in real to many or any.. and I don't get much exposure. Can you please see and tell am I doing something wrong? I would appreciate it much! Thanking you @joseph

You are not doing anything wrong, but you fell into the illusion of added value, on a social media platform it's all about followers, interaction, people you know and get to know, how well you promote your content, and last what your content is about.

Yes, I looked at some of your posts and they do look to be undervalued. I'm sure if you keep at it you will get to where you want to be! :)

You're so nice and inspiring cyber. Thank you! :)

We should all start engaging in a meaningful way. This takes time, unfortunately. I'll check out yours posts :).

I see many new youtubers and media people coming in and getting enormous payouts on there first post. I don't really care what they get, I will only upvote what I like regardless of who they are, there reputation score, and where there coming from. Yes, some people have natural skill and more desirable content that is popular, sure they'll make more. I on the other hand will be happy to connect and share with the people I have common interests with.

I could contribute a kidney and not be rewarded more than $40. Here, in this place, it's about who you know, or how much you already have.

is it the left kidney or the right one? and what is your blood type? :D

Dirty secret, I'm ineligible for donation.

I found the article discussing Reddit and Medium particularly interesting. I think Reddit is an example of a platform where the vast majority of users offer little to no value, at least on the content creation side. Most of them would be non-earners here. If Steemit wants to replace some of the main forms of social media, it will probably need to find a way to encourage participation of those who may not necessarily provide good content, because users are indeed a key metric, at least by many, for valuation.

Also, despite the lack of technical censorship here, I am certainly more careful of what I say, as I am concerned about the potential for things you discuss such as witch hunts for comments out of context, etc.

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