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RE: WARLORD DOWNVOTES - The Number One Steemit KILLER

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

Excellent post that describes the reality of Steem well. I didn't know about the stats of all the bombs dropped during the presidencies. Steem is like a country with good and bad people, a technology can be used for good, but also for bad in the wrong hands. I don't think downvoters have the best intentions because otherwise they won't do it anonymously. The only thing I see possible is to limit the downvote power in the next fork because as you said these attacks scare people away.

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Thank you for your compliment and your excellent proposed suggestion, @gmichelbkk.

I totally agree on limiting the downvote on the next fork. I think probably in at least many of the downvoters minds they have their own reasoning, but who knows exactly better than they. I do understand @steemcleaners has the best intentions to try to clean up so much that many see as trash on steemit. Part of that is how one persons trash can be another persons treasure.

This is why I said what I said below to Piotr:

I believe a very clear set of rules and their consequences of violations needs to be clearly conveyed and agreed to by all members of steemit. Then a more humane warning system reiterating those rules with a time period to fully comply set into place before any sort of punishments made. I understand in a way that makes steemit a bit more centralized, but let's face it, as a for profit company they do have certain responsibilities too in the world we live. A non profit would be the better solution in aiming for real decentralization. I understand there is only a 7 day window before the steemit system sets data into stone, so to speak, which I believe is another fault of the system. I believe it's all just a matter of organizing a management system that will benefit everyone.

And certainly this is just a brainstormed thought (beginning) that could be built upon by the community. What do you think?

This surely has to be improved and I'm not sure they want clear rules and warning defined because it's too inconvenient. The solution in my opinion is only technical and setting limits in the blockchain. There have been tons of suggestions made already by people who like you got the hammer flag and nothing changes.

Yeah, that's one thing that worries me some.

tons of suggestions made already by people who like you got the hammer flag and nothing changes

Part of the reason I suggested that was because @guiltyparties explained to me that the first week everything started with me they were swamped with dealing with such cases as well-known writers from, I think it was, Forbes and Medium contacting them about plagiarized stories that had been copied and posted on steemit, which could clearly have legal implications for steemit Inc. For all I know, maybe @adm is more closely tied to Steemit Inc. and hit me as a sort of oversensitive knee-jerk reaction to something deeper legally happening at the top, especially given the "adm" account name, which I honestly thought at first was Steemit "admin".

I still believe absolutely that as a for profit corp., in which anyone can invest in by virtue of especially powering up SP (Steem Power), which really locks you into the system for at least 4 months or so, that they really do need more user friendly Customer Service.

I don't know about the internal issues they may have. The question is who owns the Steem blockchain? There are other sites pulling data from the Steem blockchain like Busy for example. I agree that there should be a way to delete content, which has a copyright complaint, but is that possible because ourselves we can't delete our own posts. I honestly don't know.

The blockchain was created by Dan. Steemit Inc manages it by proposing hardforks, patches, investing in development, etc. It's not "owned" by one person as it's processed through myriad witness servers. It can be "forked" as Golos did into a new blockchain. The reason you can't control your content and delete accounts and all that is because the blockchain is coded to not allow that and its decentralized nature prevents nodular modification (it must always sync). We actually tested all of the parameters ourselves to try and remove content for a guy who was losing his job over it. It's not possible. Changes to the blockchain itself would be required to allow you to delete your own post.

@guiltyparties, thank you for the explanation, that's very interesting. I was wondering what would happen if for example a judge ordered a post to be taken down because of some stolen copyrighted content and that technically it's not possible?

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In my view this is another major fault of the system. I learned a lot of wrong outdated info on steemit from old posts and even YT videos from whales... It makes for a big learning curve. Not to mention, if I'm not mistaken, I voted on a lot of old posts for nothing. Is that why I didn't get any curation rewards until I invested into SP? So am I correct that if one votes on a post that is older than 7 days the vote is basically recycled back into the rewards pool and they get nothing? This one I'm still unsure on.

I believe I recall @Ned saying in one interview (maybe the one I posted above) that Steemit Inc. owns the steem blockchain.

Maybe these issues are why @Dan is supposedly working on a Steem II. I found and read an article about it a few weeks ago, after @mistermercury mentioned something about it. https://steemit.com/steemit/@spiritualmax/steem-ii-announced-what-s-the-name-what-s-the-intent-what-s-the-difference

Thanks, I will check out the article.

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