Notice To Bot Spammers
Steemit is implementing a reputation system that will evolve over time. The system will start out simple and get more advanced as things progress.
Here is what you need to know:
- If you constantly get downvoted your posts will be marked as spam and hidden unless a user clicks to reveal all spam.
- If you do not earn any positive reputation by contributing to the discussion then your votes will be ignored in our ranking algorithm.
- If you do not have positive reputation then you will not be able to impact the reputation of others.
- If you have a negative reputation then your posts will be excluded from the global index pages
None of these changes require hardforks, but all of them will impact the user experience on Steemit.com
But what about Censorship?
You have a right to say what you want, but users have the right to plug their ears. All of your content will be available on the blockchain and will be visible to those who want to see it (unless we are required by law to take it down).
We will not hide / filter any content that has greater than $0.02 pending payout. If something is deemed valuable enough to be paid, then it will be displayed.
All of your comments, blogs, etc will remain visible on your own profile page.
Use the Mute Button
If you are tired of seeing posts by people, use the mute button. We will gradually incorporate the mute / follow information to better filter / sort content for users. The mute button will not hide posts with pending payouts. If you see someone you have muted with a pending payout then flag it.
Conclusion
The abuse you see today will not last long term and is an artifact of rapid growth. We fully believe that our stake-weighted reputation system will ultimately be more powerful than those available on other platforms.
In my opinion this doesn't sound like a good suggestion. Simply because someone mutes another person does not necessarily mean they need to flag any of their post that have a payout.
People may mute other accounts for various reasons, not always due to abuse. Someone may not like a certain topic and they may mute those who tend to post only on that topic. This does not mean those people deserve to have their content flagged, which will diminish their payout and apparently hurt their reputation under the new system.
I agree with you, but I don't think that @dantheman was referring to this type of muting. I believe he was thinking in terms of spammers getting upvoted by other bots or newbies who don't recognize a bot. Sometimes, when writing, we think within a larger context (ie, notice-to-bot-spammers) and it doesn't occur to us that statements need to be explicitly limited for clarity's sake.
Exactly. Bots are a different breed. Certain bots provide no value to the system and are in fact malicious. Such bots must be flagged. In fact, I would even want a way to flag accounts instead of posts, so they never even appear on my stream, not even hidden. Muting serves a different purpose.
@liberosist so you flag cheetah when he lets you know about plagiarism? Interesting. If it seems trite keep in mind that every bot has an owner somewhere. It's the owner who is providing or removing value. Discuss the problem with them otherwise you flag an account and the owner will just create a new one. A better option would be just a defacto standard that tells bots to stay completely out, upvotes and all. Which is what #STEEMBOTSTAY is all about, treating bots as pets and talking to the owner not abusing the pet when you have a problem with the pet. We're also working on a registry for bots and their owners right now too and also to improve the quality of AI in general, so you don't get plagued with spam. Because spam whether it's one liners from people or meme posting bots, is just annoying.
I am not talking about @cheetah. I was very clear when I said "certain bots provide no value to the system and are in fact malicious". I would never flag @cheetah.
Totally agree
@dantheman I support this part, but I think this issue does not only happen to steemit.com, I also see the same thing in other major sites, just give me a little advice if needed why not use capthca for everyone to do post a reply, at least this really works :)
Captcha doesn't work with bots who don't post via the web page.
okay thanks @abit, I think if it does not work maybe I will support the advice of others here, but I also agree with @tuck-fheman . yeah I think whatever I know it's best for the future steemit and just gave a little advice to respect the decision of @dantheman
@abit : Captcha only in the Reply Post not on a web page like done by #blogger
Wouldn't this be a CATCHCA? /rawr
How do you make non-steemit.com Steem clients use the captcha? Besides captchas are super-annoying.
Agree with @tuck-fheman
Well, at least someone with stake has the balls to say this.
This is good work tuck
This ! Upvoted
i AGREE, JUST BECAUSE YOU MUTE SOMEONE DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD BE FLAGGED. i LIKE TO LEARN AND READ A WHOLE LOT SO I MAY MUTE SOMEONE JUST SO I CAN SEE MORE POST FROM OTHER USERS.
这是大佬吧！
Alot of does shitty boots at the moment. I posted a post, and get 43 votes in 2-3 minutes. No way that isnt boot since i dont get anny cent from does.
And it is crapy with does, who down vote for no reson also.
I actualy think we would se much sick in steemit future. I dont think, this stopp here.
Would also think, all the spam and spammers would keep going on as far as nobody stopps it.
Should have did somethink about it. Foreksample you could not downvote beafore you have 100 dollar value forexample. And you could not post more than 1 post per 6 hour in the start. It is alot of thing, to do. But i dont know wath would bee the best solution. I feel steemit is a play ground right now. High class against Low class
@dantheman
Thanks for bringing this up .
What do we do with people like @laloi2016 that running loose downvotes people all the times??
Do we kick this sort of people out???
Don't think it a bot?
i don't understod......because i knew here...
@ dantheman just 9 hour,,have $4.173..fantastic post & my post 6 day ago just have $2,,,,oooo god maybe you can help me so that my articles you rich :D
What a user name? Gettin upvotes! https://steemit.com/steemit/@izzy/why-steem-is-the-real-libertarian-platform
Being able to visualize your reputation would be awesome. (Earn badges,etc) Kind of like hubpages and squidoo were doing.
I agree with the opinion @cryptoctopus
I really like this idea - it would be really cool to see someone's SP level at a glance.
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This will make the vote brigading trend even worse.
Have you read Daniel Suarez's Freedom(TM)?
I agree cryptoctopus: "Gamify it".
I love anything badgey
Definite agreement here.
I haven't used hub pages or squidoo in ages, but definitely liked them. My favorite badge system out there to date (along with favorite voting system) has to be stack overflow.
Dan,
When will the follow capability allow me to see one articles quickly?
It is 99% implemented/tested on the backend. We will probably roll it out next week.
@dantheman thats great to hear! ThAnks for all the hard work that goes into it! I see improvements on #steemit almost daily. Awesome!
Agreed, I've been here 5 days and the number of changes I've seen in that time is absolutely nuts.
Loving how active the development is, moving in lightning speed compared to bitcoin.... How long until the follow button will do something?
"We will probably roll it out next week."
Thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to this feature keep up with my favorite authors.
Btw, have you all thought about using Steemit for other uses like cash back site for shopping? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
by this, do you mean how the old "blog" page used to be setup, where it showed JUST a person's original stories, and not all their replies too?
Not sure if this is what you're working on, as replied to @dantheman - though that'd be something great to execute too. Was great when we could see the body of a person's work on the blog page, without having to sift through all their replies / posts on others' pages too.
Good job on the reputation algorithm updates!
So they admit the whales (which includes Steemit Inc.) control the Steem blockchain and thus it is not a decentralized, permissionless, resilient database.
No. We only control steemit, not steem.
The blockchain Steem is controlled by proof-of-stake which elects the delegates (aka witnesses) in your DPoS consensus algorithm which decides which content is validated. Afaik, you (Daniel Larimer aka @dan), Ned Scott (@ned), and Steemit Inc (of which Ned is the CEO) control more than 50% of the stake. Thus you three can be sued to demand you use your stake to censor content. I have downvoted your reply both for censoring my comment with an erroneous downvote (given your whale sized voting power) and also for writing an erroneous reply.
The sentence as written could be interpreted in two ways, you chose to take the cynical interpretation when you could have just asked.
Rather I think I chose to take the only factual interpretation.
Does this mean that I have to actually write a "reply" to the post for my vote to be given a Curation reward?
@dantheman, And just to make things clear, this "notice" is for "bots spammers", right? Not the actual person? Or this notice applies to both?
What if your a spammer thats not a bot? I spend most of my time trying to recruit for the MinnowsUnite cause. I hope I will not be punished.
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If people upvote your posts more than they downvote then you will be fine.
Maybe users trying and keeping links relevant to the post atleast? So we don't see these campaigns/charity comments in every thread.
hooray!
I do get alot of upvotes it seems :]
steemit is opensource, if you dont like it here you are free to make one with your own rules. freaking love steem
why not just use the slack?
Because slack doesn't line up with the values of the community.
Flagged for outsize payout on platform updates. Voters, please consider that your votes allocate money and do not merely signify approval or agreement. If you wish to do the later, consider commenting instead.
You are respectful. Voters, bots, old whales and new whales, and the author, voting/voted for something. The ones (or most) who have big impacts know what they're doing indeed. Just a game, participate or not.
The bigger problem you have right now is making sure the quality content gets surfaced imho and spam bots aren't preventing that. Engineers generally aren't great content editors and community builders and the fact that a small group of engineers has all of the STEEM Power and the ability to determine which content gets surfaced is concerning.
I really look forward to see the results of such new developments... thanks for the information, hard work, dedication to this phenomenal project and sure hope this works well for us all. All for one and one for all! Namaste :)
I was wondering how you were going to address spam. The obvious solution is having to burn a fee to post and I think you will eventually be forced to use it. This proposed solution seems like it can be gamed to hurt innocent users or suppress speech. There doesn't seem to be a real good solution either way from the pros and cons, though.
I would donate a steem per week to an effort to track, find, and castrate spammers but I agree that the "solutions" mentioned above will likely end up being censorship tools.
Note paying to post won't solve the problem if the spammer or content thief can earn more from the activity than they must pay. Already the system charges in some sense because the poster need to hold sufficient stake in order to have the bandwidth allowance to post.
I'm thinking to make this thing workable, actual main topic posts would require a fee to post, while comments would not, but comments would also be culled off the chain eventually.
Increasing the number of clicks required to access content is not censorship!
Anybody who has truly been censored realizes this.