He bought 20%, one of steems top investments! not even a majority. Why should he have to communicate with you? This is supposed a decentralize system . A centralize system orders people to communicate with them. Does this mean any large investor must make his intentions know or have his account frozen ( hacked)?
Does this mean we should freeze all voting bot accounts and whales accounts until the community is sure they are not secretly working with each other? The discussion should be about why his account was frozen , if illegal,its a hack!
None of this would have happen if you witnesses didnt freeze his account.
None of this would have happened if on that very first tweet of his,he didn't mention the words "STEEM token-swap" "migration of Steem dapps to TRON" and then...complete lack of communication...
A very good debate for the community and our new community member!
It was a opportunity for sun to state his intention and for the community to react . The community had a right to hear his ideas from him and to respond.
Not witness speculation and destruction. WE completly scared away any new investors, and destroyed our relationship with top exchanges, does the community think we dont need them?
This. While not a fan of freezing his tokens, to say it was bold to come on the scene and announce he was killing Steem and we would have to swap into his new token would be an understatement. Lots of dick moves taking place here, but the audacity of declaring the death of Steem by Mr. Sun was where it began.
Sun would've tried to force a transfer of all Steem apps and user base to Tron against our will in any case. The very first thing he would do after he had acquired Steemit was to announce to the entire world that that was going to happen.
He was completely blindsided by the community response. If a hard fork were to happen, which seems increasingly likely to happen as the impasse we're in drags out, I'm sure a very small minority of Steemians will follow him to Tron.
Those of us who want money will be better off on YouTube or on self-hosted blogs. Steem is about something else first and foremost: it's about forming self-governed and decentralized communities.
First of all Freezing suns account goes against the very basic foundation of a decentralized community. We will never know what suns intention where going to be. The freezing stole that from the community. The community response is based on misinformation from witnesses. Sun was a new whale on the block and the centralized witnesses felt their influence threatened . They acted on speculation and not facts. A decentralize community needs to understand that things can change quickly .
I agree that it was a radical thing to do. I would have done it but only as a last resort. Are you aware of the history of the stake Justin Sun bought? By purchasing the coins Sun became nothing like an ordinary whale on the platform. Steemit, Inc's coins were pre-mined into existence for the express purpose of paying for the development of the core blockchain and not private gain. It may be that Sun was deceived by Ned Scott about the nature of the stack be bought.
He said it very clearly: to migrate all Steem apps to Tron along with the community and swap all STEEM for a TRC10 token. That is, to end the independent existence of the Steem blockchain and migrate the whole ecosystem to Tron, a centralized blockchain that Justin Sun has controlling stake of and which stake he has chosen to actively use. When confronted about this, he backpedaled a little saying that Steem would continue to exist - for now. Our witnesses became concerned when they learned Justin Sun had used genesis coins on Tron to dictate the governance on Tron.
No, it's clear enough what Justin Sun wanted. The witnesses did their duty to protect the chain as best they could. The only thing I disagree with them on was the timing of the soft fork. I would've postponed it somewhat.
Everything is in plain view.
Sun was no ordinary whale. His stake was far from unencumbered and it was large enough for him to nearly centralize the chain.
"...centralized witnesses...".
Witnesses voted in by the community.
That kind of extreme arrogance will get you precisely nowhere. If your side manages to hijack the chain, a sister chain will be created, which the overwhelming majority of the community will choose. You can't buy people and communities.
We actually do. Several mentions of token swap was made by Mr. Sun, implying the destruction of my current Steem tokens. He protests actions that pale in comparison to his intended plans for my and other Steem holders tokens.
All speculation. This is a supposed to be a decentralized blockchain , where enough money buys you influence. The community had a right to see exactly what his plans where. He only has 20%. THe community would have to support it. We just prove were a centralized blockcain of whales and voting bots. The black list is also centralization.
I certainly won't be joining in on the new chain if he gets his way. Still not sure why he feels its ok to destroy my tokens yet is upset that his were limited.
Agreed.
Couldn't agree with you more test45. The original witnesses need to stop being butt-hurt and let Justin work his magic. He has stated again and again he doesn't want to govern the blockchain and only did what he did b/c his legally purchased Steem were frozen. Decentralizing this blockchain will be the best thing that has happened to it during the last four years. Some are too blind to see that JS's acquisition of Steem is what will help this blockchain grow. If it forks I will be done with Steem unfortunately and I hate that b/c I really enjoy playing Splinterlands and have for over a year. I've spent a lot of trx on cards and always wondered what Steem could really do if it was decentralized.
Contradiction there.
Yes, I agree with your statement if you don't know the whole story; however, JS only took control of the blockchain once witnesses performed a soft fork and froze his legally purchased funds. DYOR dude. Please do not listen blindly to Steem's emotionally charged witnesses. It makes no sense for Sun to purchase something and then run it into the ground. In the past he purchased BitTorrent and Dlive and never tried to exert his dominance in either platform.
He doesn't have to communicate.
He bought steem that is believed to be for community development by the vast majority, and he shows obvious signs of not using it for that.
All he talked about how awesome tron is. Ok if this is true, why does he need to hijack our blockchain with our community development funds. Make tron awesome and we may choose to buy it.
It was done to unfreeze his account. Thats all. We live in a world ruled by legal documents, if Ned steem was 100% for community development their would be legal documents showing exactly what it will be used for. IT was over 12 million dollars!
This is Steem, there are no legal documents. We are in the court of public opinion limited by the parameters of code set by consensus witnesses.
What country is going to enforce a random document? Steem is its own sovereign currency.
Voting is not hacking.