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RE: How Engine Works

in #steem6 years ago

Hmm... any ideas on how fees could be done? Deterministic fees obviously couldn't work without a custom VM like the EVM, but maybe you could do some sort of compute time oracle?

Nice to see that that's something that you are aware of!

I read your most recent post, I'm interested in the proposals; I believe it's similar to how my project Engine will work.

But I'm wondering -- why the need to have seperate blocks and block producers, isn't that all handled by the Steem blockchain? e.g. couldn't you just stream transactions instead of having to seperate them into blocks?

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I don't think that a fee on the computation time is necessary, at least if you have other forms of fees in place, the goal is to find a way to reach a consensus across the nodes and there are different ways to do that. (and that's why I built a blockchain/sidechain, these blocks will be used and verified by the block producers). I'm focusing on the core contracts now but once this is done, I'll go back to the fees/consensus implementation.

Regarding the proposal system, for now it's only accumulating tokens, I haven't yet decided on how they will be distributed but it will for sure use a stake based voting system.

I see with the fees and proposal system, but why do you need a way to reach consensus considering that Steem already does that for you? I’m just trying to understand — thank you for your time.

Basically, the Steem blockchain provides the consensus for the inputs but you need to have a way to reach a consensus on the outputs, If I take your example with the counters, if one node is somehow not able to reach 1000 loops, it will then provide invalid data, so you need to have a way to indicate that the transactions were (not) processed as they should have. Then you compare this output across the other nodes and try to reach a consensus. (but that's theory... for now I'm just thinking about a tool that will get the blocks from the nodes, compare them and expose the results of the comparison, that will easily show which nodes are not "doing their job" correctly so that you can vote them out if necessary. (as the nodes that are in the top 21 are getting tokens every time a block is produced)

Ok great; Stratos is doing a similar thing but I just don't call them 'blocks', I call them 'consensus checks'. Every 5 minutes or so every node (who opts in) posts a hash of their current state to the blockchain and compares that to everyone else's. So then you can audit whether the nodes are in consensus easily as well as tell if there is a problem with consensus while in testnet.

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