Self-voting is not a problem.
I know that many people considering self voting as unjust. I can't agree with that. People with stake are not got it for nothing. Some of them were early and bootstrapped community. Some of them took the risk and put their own money in STEEM (they could buy ETH for example). All of them were through the hard times, then the STEEM price was declining for 10 months. Because of people who hold the stake - the price is at that level today and we all could share the joy of high authors reward.
STEEM is a system with stakeholders, they own the part of network capacity. They decide how to dilute their own stake by voting for others, if they provide value. If they decide to vote for themselves - then they don't see enough value and their stake don't get diluted. System punish those who don't vote so they must vote somehow. From that perspective you could see that system working efficient - stake gets distributed to people who provide value, not on some moral basis.
Curators.
Stakeholders who make decisions on what way dilute their own stake. They make subjective decisions about the value provided value. They could chose to not dilute their stake by voting for themselves. They must be active all the time or their stake will be diluted by others. It is a good thing, because it is preventing voting apathy.
Inflation
Currently inflation on STEEM around 10% a year. By voting stakeholders can distribute it to others in a subjective manner. But you can notice that by self upvoting stakeholder can get a much better deal than 10% a year. This is because there are a lot of accounts that don't vote and only active ones split the reward poll between themselves.
Better be active
You could illuminate self-voting by providing options for stakeholder to receive dividends than they don't vote. So they could not bother about writing comments and upvoting themselves everyday. But it will destroy all activity on STEEM, we don't want this kind of outcome.
Bitshares case
Take the case of BitShares. It was designed with self-funding model in mind. The idea that people could create a proposal with description of the work they are going to do, stakeholders will approve and proposal get funding in the form of inflation. If no working proposal gets approved - no stake will be deluded by inflation. Guess that stakeholders are chosen? No dilution at all! Voting participation rate now is around 7%. There is no self-voting on Bitshares, because there is not much voting going on.
HF19
In STEEM we are doing better. We are funding infrastructure around us. Look at chainbb.com, it is funded from author rewards. People don't stop voting for @jesta after HF19. And there are tons of money distributed to people for their work and I don't see it will stop anytime soon. It is just so easy here - saw that you like - click upvote.
Unjustified rewards
STEEM is designed to distribute tokens based on an estimate of value provided for platform. This estimate is very subjective and dependant on person making the decision. So we can expect that some value will wrongly estimate and rewards will be unjustified. It is not a big deal, much more important is to compensate those who do work and don't lose them. Self-vote is justified by the value of locked stake. Self-vote is better than a wrong or random vote.
Agreed, also self voting helps keep people active who like me are not the best bloggers. I dont get many votes per post but i try to improve, however having over 1k SP ensures i can continue to increase my SP daily without needing anyone to upvote me. Ofcourse i upvote others aswell, like this post =).
Exactly. Many of us not the best writer in the world, but it doesn't make us useless for the community. Just don't do it solely for yourself. If you see value something - reward them. After all, we are in a social environment, communicating with people are good for us in the long run.
I can't agree with your assumption that stakeholders could be forced to upvote themselves just because there were no other options! Greed is a much simpler explanation. If you look for example at this account which (since HF 19 took place) posts about ten minimalistic 'articles' every day and upvotes them all with (now fourfold stronger) 100 %, then you cannot tell me he is forced to upvote himself, because nowhere on the Steemit platform could be found any other articles which are worth to be upvtoed:
https://steemit.com/@sandrino
There are enough good articles, and if everybody starts upvoting himself that will lead to big and unnecessary problems, frustration of the newbies and a decrease ot the Steem price.
I am a (even if not really big) stake holder of more than 50000 Steem as well and so far I believed in the success of the platform, but in case this problem continues to be ignored I may abstain from investing further money into Steem in future.
I already wrote an article about why self-voting has become a much bigger problem since HF 19 in my opinion.
Followed, upvoted and resteemed.
Wow! That's a powerful vote to get your comment on top ;)
;)
People with power and influence. It's like our own "world" here :O
And help others too
Which I see you are doing. Thanks bro!!!
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thank you
Appreciate this counterpoint @pal. I vote for myself when I feel appropriate and hope others would do the same.
We either bought or earned the SP, it would be a shame not to benefit from it as well as benefiting others.
I agree with your points.
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Kind of surprised your own posts or comments don't get an automatic 100% upvote like Reddit anyway...
You mean in general? Or my personal posts and comments?
I mean in general...
There is automatic self-upvote option then you are creating the post.
Just not for your own comments though...
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
your points is what was going through my mind, but i just could articulate them. thank you.
Excellent post, thoroughly enjoyed it, I wrote a post on the matter and I got some fire in the discord with some folks, please have a read if you can and I would be happy to get your support https://steemit.com/steemit/@daudimitch/what-s-wrong-with-rewarding-yourself-no-one-knows-the-sacrifice-it-could-be-all-of-your-savings
Please follow if you can, I am now following you
very interesting, I have been thinking about that, I am new here this is my day 12, so I have a lot to learn on this platform still but I plan on being around and being active providing my content and hopefully some will like what I do ... Thank you for writing this article so I could get a bit of insight into the selfvote subject
Yes you are right. I saw some post related to problem of self-voting and i was somehow brain washed. But thank you for this post.
Yeah. Better to be not brain washed at all.
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