RE: Announcing Steem 0.14.0 Release Candidate
Well, it looks like I'm late to the party again. The 40->5 vote change is needed and I'm disappointed that your comment appears first, because it will give the community the idea that it's not the right move.
People need to stop getting all panicky when new updates are proposed, understand where they're coming from and what they attempt to solve. When disagreeing, try to bring up a potential solution to address that problem instead of outright opposing any change. This is how we will progress effectively.
In this case, the goal is to increase organic voting power vs bot power. I think everyone will agree that this is positive. Now, how do we improve the implementation?
The solution is simple.
All we need is this:
- A Default voting power of a fraction of what it is now (say 10%)
- A "Settings" tab for each account, where users can change their Default voting power
This way, new users don't get confused. Serious curators can get the most out of their daily upvotes. Bots have less influence on the network. Everyone is happy.
In the future, we could add the option to "Opt in" to have a voting slider. I think this would be a plus, but isn't 100% needed. In the same way, I think we should allow everyone to vote with full power on a single post per day if they want (comes down to the same as limiting # of votes/day to 1 and allowing full range to vote weight)
I'm all for decreasing bot power, but not at the cost of human curators who make the Steemit community thrive with diversity. As I mentioned elsewhere, there are at least 50-100 posts worthy of upvotes every single day.
Targeting 5 votes per day is a slap in the face to every serious curator on Steemit. It's clear from the comments that a vast majority of regular curators are heavily opposed to this - we're simply being encouraged to stop curating content.
The hidden gems which can only be found by looking at each and every post round the clock incoming through the "New" feed will be lost forever. No casual curator who's only voting 5 times a day or under will ever bother with full time deep curation.
It's not 5 votes per day. It's 5 votes at 100%. Just reduce the slider to less and vote more and you keep your power within the 20% recharge range. Otherwise, if you want to vote for 50, the vote for 50 and deplete your power quicker. Manage the power and responsibility to upvote.
5 votes will get your voting power down to the same area as 40 votes do today. That is unsustainable when there are 50-100 posts worth voting on every day.
I disagree, I'm open to discuss this further on the chat. Limited by reply depth here.
How can new authors (like me) ever hope to be noticed and upvoted by whales, if the target becomes 5 instead of 40?
It's already damn near impossible at 40. I don't see how lowering it to 5 will help.
The idea behind this is to make people buy steem power.
create your audience, build notoriety, it will come.
but it takes times, work, and luck
Yes! A settings tab for each account to set the default voting power would be very helpful! A separate setting for comments and posts would be nice too.
That would be an added set of "nice to have" features and provide more flexibility. Does it solve whatever issue they are trying to address with the proposed change? I'm not sure it does, just like I'm not sure their main proposal solves very much without some cost. I thank you for some good ideas, which the community should consider. I also hope people see @liberosist 's short comment that is buried somewhere deep below this post, which suggests a couple of simple ways they might be able to thwart bots without causing such an unneeded overhaul as the one they propose.
Ultimately, the main issue is giving the community time to consider and debate these proposed changes and discuss them before having them magically take effect with the assent of witnesses who do not seem to have vocal opinions themselves.
Won't this result in the botmasters making more bots? 8x more in fact.
No, because they'd have to split their stake and that voting rewards are stake based with slight incentive towards having it all in one account.
I do believe that 40 upvotes/day is a high target to reach for most organic voters. Much easier to achieve with bots.
Just did and replied to both, thanks for pointing out their comments.
Totally agree. I do feel like announcements are mostly made here when they're close to final, which is unfortunate. It leaves little time for discussion. That said, I do trust the better judgement of the smart people who spend time discussing them directly on github as soon they're proposed. In technical/innovative fields like the one we're in, I'm not sure that relying on popular opinion is always the best decision.
What about thinking of it differently? I think boring was just marketed poorlywhy 5 votes are good but marketed poorly
I included your idea in the latest edition of the Steemit Wish List.