Thoughts on the Political Costs of Disagreements

in #steem6 years ago (edited)
I often think about conflicts on the blockchain, because as you know, there is always a potential consequence on STEEM if you disagree with someone. This is to say that the system of incentives, it's political layers and what have you, are design for people to want to be nice to each other. Yes, sometimes the niceness is faked or emulated if you will, but I submit to you that for the most part, it's actually quite real.

All this to say that as much as I understand the advantage of being polite to each other, there is also a necessity mind you for disagreements, and this is very true at all levels. Discourse as we know is nothing but a tool for polishing arguments and points of view, and without the battle of ideas none of the luxuries we enjoy today would even exist. Of course, there are ways to disagree, there are efficient methods of discourse, and none efficient ones, but the key point to understand is that there is no growth when we purposely surround ourselves only with "yes people".

The complicated political system that makes up the STEEM ecosystem however, is conducive to the obfuscation of opposing point of views. It's not uncommon for example for witnesses of all rankings mind you, to believe that the only way to stay at the top, or make it to the top is to always agree with the powerful. I guess I understand this line of thinking and somewhat agree, but at the same time I submit to you that it's only true because we have forgotten how to disagree effectively.

I've seen at this point quite a few people who believe that STEEM's whales are unreasonable. This is to say that if you were to approach them with your ideas, with your disagreement, they would surely ignore you or worse. To an extend I understand where they are coming from, simply because some of the exchanges lack diplomatic proficiency and thus result in emotional battles that make up the popcorn show we are all very familiar with these days. But, is this always the case? Can I disagree with Ned, with Bernie, with Transito, or anyone of power without risking my livelihood in some way? am I gagged by the fear of consequence?

The point I'm making here, or at least the point I'm trying to convey to you is that in my view most of the influential characters of this platform will respect someone who is not only able to disagree respectfully, but also be willing to listen to their counter points with intent. This is to say that it's not enough for me to say that a certain person is wrong, but it's also important for me to acknowledge the valid points they are making as to find the point of compromise, which of course is always present.

If however, the word compromise makes you cringe, if you believe that options are binary, then I will say you may not be cut to sit at the table of political discourse. Why? Because as with many other things in this world, binary choices are short sighted and for the most part inapplicable.

To me the ability to compromise, to listen to the other side and find that point of collaborative synergy is the most important trait a leader of this platform should display. And if I'm to be completely honest, the most important trait I would look for in anyone I would call a leader.

Of course we must pick our battles, of course not every battle/argument is worth fighting for. But, as as important as it may be to speak up when we must, it's also just as important to know how to do so. It's precisely because of this that I commend Exyle's recent attitude, and hope that he keeps it up. In my view he's showing what it means to actually care, which is precisely what this community needs at this very moment.


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steemit inc has to step in and limit amount of damage one can inflict on others . no one should be allowed to destroy somebody's account no matter what is the reason ....

maybe so, but it can be a slippery slope too... meaning that we could fall back into this whole "such and such" decides who is right and who is wrong and not the stakeholders of the token. Which of course would remove incentives to hold the tokens, thus plunging the price lower...

I do get your point however.... Smidge, quick question.. How did you get blacklisted by steemcleaners? Did you get a warning for plagiarism or something?

this is worse than gestapo

I never received any warnings , marky just popped up and started flagging my posts . when I started complaining I got @patrice flags on every comment I make .
I am not saying they should completely eliminate flagging but it must be limited , otherwise you are going to have massive abuse of power

I disagree entirely.
Flagged and muted.

hahahahah to quote an australian friend... "you pissing in my pocket mate?"

I think these types of things are prevalent in human nature which we can't change, it is not just Steem but our society on a whole. People should be open to criticism and feedbacks, it would lead to a healthy and better society.

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Disagreements feel painful to some people, but they should not be.

Given the concept of being a social network, those that choose the speak are rather passionate about their opinions and that comes off a little rough sometimes. When we are discussing changes regarding the distribution of financial rewards, these passions will become more exaggerated due to the human nature of protecting their financial wellbeing. So, in theory, when we discuss alternatives, our opinions are almost always a conflict of interest that impacts our ability to negotiate. However, we short no focus on the shortsightedness of tomorrow but rather the long term value being created bu the community.

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I agree with you, @meno. I think many have fallen into disrepute for taking off their rags in the street. A minimum of respect and coherence is what you ask for. As you point out, it's not what you say, but how you say it. It's easy to point out, but it's difficult to argue and sustain our positions. Steem is not for visceral fights but to direct our efforts and look for solutions.

and very much so, because we all have vested interest in the success of this platform.

I agree very much with your lines of thought. It is indeed a problem with Steem that it does not promote discussions, but then again, it's probably not worse than the alternatives ...

  • Steem - currently it seems most profitable to agree with people and eventually ignore posts if one disagrees rather than start an argument. It's at one hand a sad situation. At the other hand, it is a good thing that the incentives are not aligned with the "trench warfare mentality". It takes a bit of time and effort, but it is a useful skill to write "I disagree strongly with this, and I believe you're bonkers" in a polite way, supported by proper arguments.

  • Facebook - one is efficiently shielded from opinions from those one disagrees with. It's very bad, as extremists get no counter arguments, it's easy to underestimate the amount of people that disagree with you, and as people actually gets surprised when they find people having opposing points of view out there.

  • Reddit - this was one of the foremost arenas of the "Bitcoin schism", the trench warfare between the "big blockers" and the "small blockers" (short version: neither the "small blockers" nor the "big blockers" wanted any kind of compromise (I think SegWit2X wasn't that bad), and the "small blockers" won the propaganda war, the definition of "bitcoin" and the market cap). It was horrible to see how the two groups of people were only reinforcing each others view and generating hatred.

Regarding segwit, I'm not convinced the arguments were sincere... it was and always has been about money.. segwit messed with their money, they pretended to care.

So do we agree to disagree? ;)

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I think that’s only possible if people at the top don’t see criticisms as personal attacks rather as feedback for further improvement.

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