How do you like DLive now?

in #steem6 years ago (edited)

DLive was the first project that tried to follow DTube's ways that I didn't resteem. Why? Because they had a D in their name, but their website was centralized. They were (and still are) running a GraphQL database to serve all their content. They haven't ever used the trending or hot features of the steem blockchain. The only thing they used in the steem blockchain, was the rewards mechanism.

Then they took a community-made DTube logo (which we ended up not using), painted it purple, and called it their logo.

Then they begged for delegation, because they knew it was achievable after seeing other real decentralized projects getting it. And they got it, because in the end Ned doesn't care that something is decentralized, as long as it uses Steem for rewards... ok.

Then they started competing on the video market. That was a particular dick move because video upload was already possible on steem. Oh and of course they decided to put the fees at the extreme minimum of 0%, just like furion did with his view.ly shitapp when I released DTube. The idea behind that, is that of course this way you grab more users, and you can make other apps that try to generate revenue from their work look bad.

Then they started paying their 'staff', which were all recruited from the steem community. Some devs coded for them, some marketers did marketing, and all were paid out of the delegation... I have no idea how much money that represents, maybe some of the people who worked for them can enlighten me?

Then they added more centralized tools. Facebook login, Google analytics, and much more. They tracked you, while giving your data to big corps, and perfected their marketing techniques until you believed their lies good enough.

Then they started collecting your emails, with the innocent excuse that they want to alert you when a new stream that you follow starts. And you gave them your emails. And now you're getting spammed.

Then they quit the STEEM blockchain, so now I can finally make a ragepost about their project without looking like a greedy competitor who is mad about the turn of events.

Now, the truth has been revealed. We know that DLive has always been part of a larger project called LINO, which got funded in Febuary 2018 for $20,000,000 USD by a Chinese investment fund, on the concept of making a 'decentralized youtube'. Rings a bell?

So it all makes sense. They weren't trying to make money and pay for servers, or hire a team, and build a project. They already had all that. What they wanted to grab out of STEEM, was a community, while testing and building their UI. They already had $20M in bank, and slaved good-willed STEEM users to work for them for upvotes. They deceived Ned by making him think they needed money when what they wanted was attention. Their plan was to leave Steem, since the start of their project. They even said:

Our experimental simulation on the Steem blockchain

in March 2018 in the lino official blog, as if they were having good fun with it.


Now, I'm not sure if this post will get a lot of visibility or not, but tell me guys, why did you trust these liars despite all the warnings the good users gave you? Why did you work for them for upvotes? Why do you believe any lie you see? Because you are GREEDY.

You are all crying now because your dear DLive is going to their token after having provenly raped and lied to the STEEM economy for months. But as usual, you should just have listened to the same people who have been doing good and promoting STEEM, not a few random chinamen who registered 1 week before publishing their project, and who hadn't done anything before that.

I'm glad that this cancer is off of STEEM, but sadly the bigger cancer is still there, and they will keep on lying to you and promoting shitty projects. If you don't feel confident in your judgement, and if you used DLive in the past especially, here are the recommended steps to avoid getting used by the manipulators inside this network:

  • Follow your friends and people you truly appreciate reading or watching videos of
  • Follow me (should already be done if you followed first step)
  • Use the feed (its the steem homepage if you are logged in)
  • Never click Trending/New/Hot/Promoted categories
  • Dont ever go on the profile of a user you do not trust
  • Mute all the bots from the comments

Bonus content:




If you upvoted this comment of mine, I'm sorry I ruined your DLiver career :D


Update content:
Few hours after this post was published, someone started sending scam emails to random people pretending to be [email protected], trying to sell life insurance stuff (??). DTube will never send automated emails to you, we only use the @d.tube emails for business emails between our staff and partners. Also we can't even send you emails because we don't know what are your emails, and we don't want to know.

It's very likely that they are doing that after reading up on my post which analyzes and details their full intent and premeditation of their scam from the start. Being the script kiddies they are, they didn't find a better way to annoy me.

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I have to admit I didn't see this coming, I want to make a longer post explaining everything and why I love curating streamers but I'm not able to right now as I only have my phone available. I hope the truth comes to light and the users who I got to know through dlive will see the true power of Steem very soon.

You might call it just being greedy, but I've personally written tons of posts before a streaming platform existed on Steem, you might be right about the users who stopped posting videos to Dtube and turned to Dlive though.

Anyway, the way they did this is really disgusting and it will hurt their own brand more than it does Steem. Considering Limo is only distributed to private investors it's funny they think users will want to go there to enrich them.

Also love the bonus content, they are literally becoming worse than Twitch.

We will leave the light on for you over here at @dtube man.

There is also @vimm, Live streaming platform... If you need an invite to Discord Server DM me.. STEEM ON!

yea we all moved to @vimm and there is alot of people supporting them.

I’d be interested in that 😀

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See ya there then ;)

Can you pm me the discord??

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The emotion and tribalism is in full force.

Much of the problems Kent outlined in steem have been proven over and over today.

Greedy whales (and ass kissers) will circle jerk eachother dry, while anyone who dissents from their opinion ends up getting flagged.

Whales and those who wish to convert to fiat are constantly devaluing steem, limiting the reward pool and dlive's ability to curate their creators.

Imagine you are dlive, your goal is to create a platform to rival twitch and youtube- you can't do that with the (roughly) $1000 a day the reward pool allows you to allocate.

And did any of the whales (who are so angry at them leaving) come and support some any of their content creators? I know you did, johal did, and fulltimegeek did and ausbit did. The vast majority did not. And it was clearly not enough to make a difference.

I've been told I should quit steem because I support dlive's move. This community would much rather ignore its problems, blame others and fall in line. It's pathetic.

Dlive is leaving for a reason. To say it is an exit scam, a fake ico, whatever- is wholefully and willingly ignoring the real reasons.

Greedy whales (and ass kissers) will circle jerk eachother dry...

Sorry, but...how is Dlive any different? They were given 2 million(?) SP so that they could upvote streamers. Is this not a whale’s share? Is that content and their voting habits not exclusive?

Imagine you are dlive, your goal is to create a platform to rival twitch and youtube- you can't do that with the (roughly) $1000 a day the reward pool allows you to allocate.

Why is a business trying to rely on gifted stake and curating? Sounds like a failed model to me. Maybe they ought to learn how social media companies and revenue models work.

Dlive is leaving for a reason - and that reason is that they have their own blockchain. This was their plan. Steem has tons of problems. But to think that Dlive and their STINC delegation wasn’t part of them is just completely ignorant, and willfully so. They can whine and make excuses all they want, but the only people they’re fooling are the usual lot of fucking idiots.

I understand they also had some significant potential funds from Lino's ICO that, given the same folks ran both, they could have used to increase their stake and operating funds on Steem. If they'd ever seriously tried to they may well have been able to keep running their ops on Steem, and simply ported over to Lino and become a dual chain platform.

They never seriously considered that IMHO.

Thanks!

Ok.

i'm no whale, but i supported a ton of the dlive community...gonna be sad to see some of them go.

I think @vimm is better and i moved to @vimm . No anymore dlive because I belive in STEEM.

You actually one of those popped in my head when this happened as I noticed you're one of those who believes in the platform a lot (same). I was actually thinking of DMing and asking for the opinions as I was confused AF when if first happened all sudden but didn't do so as I'm afraid I would be 'Way beyond a scam' LOLOL. Glad to see what your thoughts are here. Me.. consuming news and processing still. Peace ❤

Way beyond a scam 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

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🤪😜🤪

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Yesterday when I read the announcement, I though DTube was leaving. Glad to learn that it's actually DLive, which I never used due to its lack of decentralized video hosting.

One fishy aspect of the farewell post is that it doesn't provide actual technical reasons for leaving Steem. The "Why is DLive migrating?" section is super wish-washy and mostly discusses the imperfect nature of influence proportional to power. But this shouldn't actually concern a service provider. For example, as long as people post to DTube and they keep getting a slice via beneficiary rewards, then all is good. As such, it was clear to me the DLive explanation was a red herring... excuses.

In regards to me streaming I was more interested in chat engagement than worrying about upvotes. =\ I just wanted people to join in and hang.

No more votes for @redjepi? That is a pretty dick move.

:DDDDDDDDD

Make sure the supporters of this comment gets no more upvotes from us in future.

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Just curious to see how funny it will be when all the people that were posting exclusively on Dlive and talking shit about Dtube will come now running... That is going to be funny to watch eheheh

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and all the cry babies that ran to D-Live when DTube changed their curation policy :P
Peace.

Yeah. I am ready for all the drama. But I will just be watching from far away ihihih

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Yep. Popcorn time :)
Peace.

I couldn't resist:
also-dude-chinaman-is-not-the-preferred-nomenclature-asian-american-please.jpg

@wa7 isn't a guy who built the railroads.

The CHINAMAN is not the issue here, dude!!!
It’s about drawing a line in the sand...

That then clumps all asian-americans in with the literal chinese men who pull shady business maneuvers like this, a group that he was actually a part of, so it's not really wrong.

I love Dtube, and now you have streaming available too, well that's really awesome, who needs dlive right. and Dtube are fully clean with nothing to worry about?

I think its time

!popcorn

Dlive was a great app in Steem blockchain which always promotes Steem and which brings huge traffic from outside of Steemit.

Whatever it is; Let's put @dlive to one side, I advise you to to develop your own project instead of teasing the others @heimindanger ?

Dtube is still same Dtube as previous months.
I've used it about 7-8 months ago, uploaded a few videos.
None of them was upvoted (your team were busy to upvote his friends, you know who I'm talking about, no need to say names here)
And all my videos are lost now. All trash... I can't find my videos.
And probably i can't get any future upvotes after this comment btw lol

And here is a bonus content:

I just browsed livestreams section on Dtube.
There is only one stream.
And I can't even watch it...

dtube live.png

By the way; there are still more much live streams on dlive.io at the moment. They are streaming although they know that they can't get upvote from dlive anymore. So, are you sure that they are greedy?

cool to see my stream being the only one at the time of your screenshot! ;-)
too bad you couldn't watch it, I guess DTube's live-streaming feature still has a long way to go...

That's really true..
and i can't watch it too

DLIVE manipulated the community. There shitty lino project will fail big time. :)

@heimindanger with the flame thrower! Resteemed.

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