I have removed my flag. Please don't persist in this method of promoting your posts. It doesn't matter if you send 0.001 SBD as I did not set that price. Such an amount is trivial.
He/She paid .001 sbd to get your attention, you saw the message just ignore it don't act as if your all pissed because of this. Whats the point of flagging the post for basically no valuable reason?
Would be nice if everyone saw it like you. Ignoring is well enough for most cases. In this case I felt the line was crossed because I thought it was some kind of Nigerian Scam Bot. And I can easily ignore everything I dont like in general, if its articles or comments. But when I saw his bot-like comment and twice the same message in my wallet, I started to feel like being spammed, and Id like to be allowed to sanction that, since its even OK here to downvote Jeff Berwick for nothing just because...ignoring is not enough for some. (Edit: to be clear, I`m not downvoting, since he seems to not be a Bot and having made a honest mistake).
I agree..If someone wants to send me money for a chance to catch my attention, so be it.. If I don't like that idea of marketing, flag it. What do you think @christoryan ?
I see this as "spamvertisement" he doesn't actually care about our thoughts as was made clear by posting the exact same thing to each user and saying he "believes" in us.
I call BS and while I could choose to ignore it, if this post becomes successful, I don't want to see wallets become a place for begging.
I think the occasional incredible post warrants steem dollars given, but in my opinion, the wallet should not be the place to promote. Use the chat or make a comment on someone else's post that you find this post would be applicable to.
I vote on what I think is quality and not because someone will pay me to do so. That is foolish short-term ideology to be willing to sell your vote. You should not really even always vote on a friends article if you don't feel it is up to par with what you want to see on steemit.
Some people need to be called out and told to step up their game. That may be people that made thousands of dollars on their first posts and now have stale content.
Hopefully you realize this passion is not directed at you @kuriko or @vdoh. It's simply something I personally feel devalues the platform in the long-term.
Very good objective analysis of the incentive systems. My initial reaction to @vdoh was to upvote, then I wante to downvote after reading a few posts, but now I'm just going to sit out and observe the dynamics of the system. People try different things and eventually the market will figure out what's the most effective way to advertise posts.
That's the thing. I love the idea and would gladly vote for one that is not associated and linked to this specific post.
The content isn't the problem at all.
Had I stumbled upon this and saw his idea I'd be all for it, but he ruined that with the way he got me to see it.
I understand it's frustrating to have a good idea fall flat on its face that time and effort was put into to create. Almost everyone has felt those same feelings. It's what we do after that defines us. Quit and whine/or go out and keep making the best content you can.
Perhaps people are up-voting the ingenuity of the idea?
Wherever there's money to be made there will be those whom try to use their cleverness to test for loop-holes and schemes that can produce profits for minimal efforts. Just like in any part of the real-world, there will be gullible people that just fall right into the trap; there will be people that see the scam for what it is and be so bent up by it that they'll go out of their way searching for institutions like the BBB in an attempt to snuff it; there will be the apathetic that don't give a rats arse one way or the other; and there will be the people who're privy to it and are, themselves, clever enough to profit from their own angle.
How one perceives the play comes down to one's own up-bringing and values. Morality is totally subjective. Competition is the only reality. The checkered flag was already waving the moment you were born.
I applaud innovation, but sometimes you poke a bear and it bites you.
Theoretically I could make the most commented post by commenting over and over again on the same post. Is it innovative? Yes. Is it wise? No. So I won't do it. To me this is no different than replying to a whales comment with "please look at my article"
If he had tailored each message individually to people and added some sort of value that showed he cared about them more than the vote he might get, then it would be a truly different story.
Basically I feel he spammed/lied at the same time. If he can tell me how he "values" each person he copied and pasted his link on I will remove his flag, but that will take days to prove that he wanted more than an upvote.
There are plenty of intelligent and creative ways to get people to look at content. Steemit to me is innovative. I don't want to see "like this and i'll like that" that defeats the entire process of trying to reward the best content.
@jamesbrown you are welcome to disagree and I see that you see this from a very different viewpoint. But I don't hate anyone here or hope @vdoh is never successful, but as a warning to others who will no doubt try something similar it is just that a warning.
Yes, I'm complaining about it. I've written about the attention economy before. I won't advertise my post by linking it directly, but you can find it if you want. The key is that the sender of an unsolicited message does not know how the recipient values his attention. Having a message in my wallet where I go to view other information consumes my limited attention* without my consent. Only the recipient can decide on the price of their attention, and the sender can then accept it or not. Otherwise we have free reign to spam each other with ads endlessly, an internet version of Shibuya Square, and we have to lock ourselves down to whitelists and adblocks to avoid it.
*I happen to have ADHD, but everyone's attention is limited, mine is just more limited than normal
If it isn't interesting to you, I ask not to pay attention! Further it won't repeat.
I have removed my flag. Please don't persist in this method of promoting your posts. It doesn't matter if you send 0.001 SBD as I did not set that price. Such an amount is trivial.
I will consider it in the future in relation to you. Also I will develop system of an exchange of messages on the basis of transactions.
I'll not downvote, but I'll say this:
I doubt that they'd be whining if you'd sent .1 or .2 SBD. Or hell, 1 sbd. They've got a point.... and so do you.
just a thought...
He/She paid .001 sbd to get your attention, you saw the message just ignore it don't act as if your all pissed because of this. Whats the point of flagging the post for basically no valuable reason?
I price my attention higher than a tenth of a cent.
What you said reminds me of an affirmation that I used to repeat to myself every morning after I awoke and every night before I went to bed:
My attention is worth more than all the gold of the earth combined
I think that it might have made me an egotist and asocial :0 but I'm still healthy and content, so it's not all bad.
Sorry for the diversion ;)
Then you ignore, if its worth your attention you can click on the link or still ignore. As simple as that.
Not i if this became the norm. I do not use my wallet page to read unsolicited mail.
If we just ignore it then our wallets will become flooded with advertising which is abuse of the platform.
Would be nice if everyone saw it like you. Ignoring is well enough for most cases. In this case I felt the line was crossed because I thought it was some kind of Nigerian Scam Bot. And I can easily ignore everything I don
t like in general, if its articles or comments. But when I saw his bot-like comment and twice the same message in my wallet, I started to feel like being spammed, and Id like to be allowed to sanction that, since its even OK here to downvote Jeff Berwick for nothing just because...ignoring is not enough for some. (Edit: to be clear, I`m not downvoting, since he seems to not be a Bot and having made a honest mistake).#LikePuzzels #InvisibleBcauseofHomoSapiEnZ?
I agree..If someone wants to send me money for a chance to catch my attention, so be it.. If I don't like that idea of marketing, flag it. What do you think @christoryan ?
#betterNOWorDIE?
I see this as "spamvertisement" he doesn't actually care about our thoughts as was made clear by posting the exact same thing to each user and saying he "believes" in us.
I call BS and while I could choose to ignore it, if this post becomes successful, I don't want to see wallets become a place for begging.
I think the occasional incredible post warrants steem dollars given, but in my opinion, the wallet should not be the place to promote. Use the chat or make a comment on someone else's post that you find this post would be applicable to.
I vote on what I think is quality and not because someone will pay me to do so. That is foolish short-term ideology to be willing to sell your vote. You should not really even always vote on a friends article if you don't feel it is up to par with what you want to see on steemit.
Some people need to be called out and told to step up their game. That may be people that made thousands of dollars on their first posts and now have stale content.
Hopefully you realize this passion is not directed at you @kuriko or @vdoh. It's simply something I personally feel devalues the platform in the long-term.
Very good objective analysis of the incentive systems. My initial reaction to @vdoh was to upvote, then I wante to downvote after reading a few posts, but now I'm just going to sit out and observe the dynamics of the system. People try different things and eventually the market will figure out what's the most effective way to advertise posts.
That's the thing. I love the idea and would gladly vote for one that is not associated and linked to this specific post.
The content isn't the problem at all.
Had I stumbled upon this and saw his idea I'd be all for it, but he ruined that with the way he got me to see it.
I understand it's frustrating to have a good idea fall flat on its face that time and effort was put into to create. Almost everyone has felt those same feelings. It's what we do after that defines us. Quit and whine/or go out and keep making the best content you can.
#NachTragendOdaWos?
Perhaps people are up-voting the ingenuity of the idea?
Wherever there's money to be made there will be those whom try to use their cleverness to test for loop-holes and schemes that can produce profits for minimal efforts. Just like in any part of the real-world, there will be gullible people that just fall right into the trap; there will be people that see the scam for what it is and be so bent up by it that they'll go out of their way searching for institutions like the BBB in an attempt to snuff it; there will be the apathetic that don't give a rats arse one way or the other; and there will be the people who're privy to it and are, themselves, clever enough to profit from their own angle.
How one perceives the play comes down to one's own up-bringing and values. Morality is totally subjective. Competition is the only reality. The checkered flag was already waving the moment you were born.
I applaud innovation, but sometimes you poke a bear and it bites you.
Theoretically I could make the most commented post by commenting over and over again on the same post. Is it innovative? Yes. Is it wise? No. So I won't do it. To me this is no different than replying to a whales comment with "please look at my article"
If he had tailored each message individually to people and added some sort of value that showed he cared about them more than the vote he might get, then it would be a truly different story.
Basically I feel he spammed/lied at the same time. If he can tell me how he "values" each person he copied and pasted his link on I will remove his flag, but that will take days to prove that he wanted more than an upvote.
There are plenty of intelligent and creative ways to get people to look at content. Steemit to me is innovative. I don't want to see "like this and i'll like that" that defeats the entire process of trying to reward the best content.
@jamesbrown you are welcome to disagree and I see that you see this from a very different viewpoint. But I don't hate anyone here or hope @vdoh is never successful, but as a warning to others who will no doubt try something similar it is just that a warning.
#JustBCauseITSeemsToGoodToBTrue #DoesntMean #ImPossible
Thank You for putting him in his place and explaining that he is
complaining about receiving free money, regardless of the intent.
They paid 0.001 SBD to send junkmail, that will get them flagged and destroy their rep score. ;-)
Agree
Dude, you are getting free money for potentially clicking on a link to a steemit post;
Are you REALLY complaining about this?
I agree with most of what you are saying (or, more specifically: why you're saying it),
but I do not think it warrants a flagging/downvote.
Alas...To each his own :)
Signed,obfuscate-meYes, I'm complaining about it. I've written about the attention economy before. I won't advertise my post by linking it directly, but you can find it if you want. The key is that the sender of an unsolicited message does not know how the recipient values his attention. Having a message in my wallet where I go to view other information consumes my limited attention* without my consent. Only the recipient can decide on the price of their attention, and the sender can then accept it or not. Otherwise we have free reign to spam each other with ads endlessly, an internet version of Shibuya Square, and we have to lock ourselves down to whitelists and adblocks to avoid it.
*I happen to have ADHD, but everyone's attention is limited, mine is just more limited than normal
@nepd should know the price ;)
upsi, completely forgot abbauhd dad... :(
I ask, please remove Down-Vote, images aren't visible to others
Sorry. But I tried for the benefit of all community Steemit.
U asked for #BIngFlagged #JustByUsingThatWord #SpamIsTheft B-Ware! C How IT Feels, and read IT to that Bottom!
#WosMaSoggDesIsMaS#öba
Lol I'll take the money thanks haha
Me too.
Yeah I noticed this was in my wallet, that's pretty crazy lol.