Basically, as far as I understand, one can't upvote their own post for the last 12 hours of the 7 day payout period for a post to prevent them exaggerating their rewards. This way if someone does upvote themselves in a way the community doesn't like, they have 12 hours to counter that action.
I believe this is part of the move to the uniform 7 day payout period. What you're talking about was how post payouts were extended. With 7 day payouts all posts have 7 days during which they can earn rewards. Which created the issue of people knowing exactly when their last chance would be to exaggerate their rewards without risking a counter vote. If there was no lockout period everyone would wait till the last second of their payout period and upvote themselves, or create bots to do the same, and the community would not be able to counter that decision. The lockout prevents that pretty inevitable scenario from having to play out.
Review periode = Lockout time. The period the community has to decide if an upvote by the post creator is a valid one, or needs to be countered (flagged). With the 12hrs lockout, the review period therefor is 12hrs.
Let's see in reality how this works out. Maybe such cases shall be reported and recorded somewhere @sneak
Don't need to get hit by a truck to know what happens when you get put in front of it. There is a great big window for anyone who wants to be a dick to play .. doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
When not having a window, the system can be abused in a different way through self upvoted just before payout time. Not everything can be contained by software rules at the same time. My take is: lets try this. Lets report on abuse. When abuse is substantial, then try a different rule.
When not having a window, the system can be abused in a different way through self upvoted just before payout time. Not everything can be contained by software rules at the same time. My take is: lets try this. Lets report on abuse. When abuse is substantial, then try a different rule.
Since when is upvoting your own work not acceptable? The editor will default to an upvote until you uncheck it. So, upvoting your own work at any point shouldn't be an issue. And most certainly not one that gives others 12 hours to downvote you in.
I disagreed with a single 7 day payout from the outset. So now, after waiting 7 days for a payout everyone needs to wait out the last 12 hours and hope that one or more dicks don't decide to downvote because there is no recourse to counter it. And no second payout period to regain the downvoting. That is disgusting.
And just who is one going to report the abuse to that you are waiting to see if it happens? It's not like there is some central control that can decide and counter it.
It will only take this happening to a few for others to decide to walk away. Bad news travels much faster than good.
This whole thread of comments is full of misinformation :)
It's totally fine to vote on your own posts, and this change has nothing to do with voting on your own posts.
All this means is that for the last 12 hours in the 7 day payout window, no one can upvote that post, people can only downvote.
It creates a 12 hour window that the community can decide if a post was overvalued or abusing the system somehow. Without it, a whale could vote on an abusive post with 30 seconds left and award it $100, without giving anyone a chance to witness/counter that abuse.
Honestly, I don't think too many posts are read at AFTER an initial 48 hours anyway so post payouts at 7 days is...well, IMHO overkill. I'm sure there are going to be a few assholes who will downvote within the last 12 hours but after seven days? I really think the post will be out of sight out of mind.
Abuse shall be recorded by either the community or Steemit Inc; whoever. Based on abuse levels, the community together witg Steemit Inc shall take appropriate measure, for instance changing the software rules
so if one or more wish to be a dick during the last 12 hours and downvote ... none of the community can counter... that is no benefit ... i'm disgusted that option is being allowed.
yeah.... so we can turn on 'downvote' mode for 12 hours. yeah... silly thing. I agree with you. Downvote first and then 'upvote' mode on...... I can not understand with this policy. Nice ! :)
Basically, as far as I understand, one can't upvote their own post for the last 12 hours of the 7 day payout period for a post to prevent them exaggerating their rewards. This way if someone does upvote themselves in a way the community doesn't like, they have 12 hours to counter that action.
No one can upvote a post in the last 12 hours from what I understand it to be, only downvotes.
So this is not the same as the extension period we had before to allow time for alternative votes after a last minute whale vote.
I believe this is part of the move to the uniform 7 day payout period. What you're talking about was how post payouts were extended. With 7 day payouts all posts have 7 days during which they can earn rewards. Which created the issue of people knowing exactly when their last chance would be to exaggerate their rewards without risking a counter vote. If there was no lockout period everyone would wait till the last second of their payout period and upvote themselves, or create bots to do the same, and the community would not be able to counter that decision. The lockout prevents that pretty inevitable scenario from having to play out.
I'm pretty sure the lockout you're talking about is exactly what it is, not sure if @andrarchy is correct here.
It means "review period" on posts that have pending rewards.
That's fair, good way to counter bad content.
sorry.. can you explain what the 'review period' does?
Review periode = Lockout time. The period the community has to decide if an upvote by the post creator is a valid one, or needs to be countered (flagged). With the 12hrs lockout, the review period therefor is 12hrs.
Don't need to get hit by a truck to know what happens when you get put in front of it. There is a great big window for anyone who wants to be a dick to play .. doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
When not having a window, the system can be abused in a different way through self upvoted just before payout time. Not everything can be contained by software rules at the same time. My take is: lets try this. Lets report on abuse. When abuse is substantial, then try a different rule.
Since when is upvoting your own work not acceptable? The editor will default to an upvote until you uncheck it. So, upvoting your own work at any point shouldn't be an issue. And most certainly not one that gives others 12 hours to downvote you in.
I disagreed with a single 7 day payout from the outset. So now, after waiting 7 days for a payout everyone needs to wait out the last 12 hours and hope that one or more dicks don't decide to downvote because there is no recourse to counter it. And no second payout period to regain the downvoting. That is disgusting.
And just who is one going to report the abuse to that you are waiting to see if it happens? It's not like there is some central control that can decide and counter it.
It will only take this happening to a few for others to decide to walk away. Bad news travels much faster than good.
This whole thread of comments is full of misinformation :)
It's totally fine to vote on your own posts, and this change has nothing to do with voting on your own posts.
All this means is that for the last 12 hours in the 7 day payout window, no one can upvote that post, people can only downvote.
It creates a 12 hour window that the community can decide if a post was overvalued or abusing the system somehow. Without it, a whale could vote on an abusive post with 30 seconds left and award it $100, without giving anyone a chance to witness/counter that abuse.
Honestly, I don't think too many posts are read at AFTER an initial 48 hours anyway so post payouts at 7 days is...well, IMHO overkill. I'm sure there are going to be a few assholes who will downvote within the last 12 hours but after seven days? I really think the post will be out of sight out of mind.
Abuse shall be recorded by either the community or Steemit Inc; whoever. Based on abuse levels, the community together witg Steemit Inc shall take appropriate measure, for instance changing the software rules
@shadowspub @jesta My bad. Misinterpretation from my side. Sorry for the confusion.
so if one or more wish to be a dick during the last 12 hours and downvote ... none of the community can counter... that is no benefit ... i'm disgusted that option is being allowed.
Let's see in reality how this works out. Maybe such cases shall be reported and recorded somewhere
yeah.... so we can turn on 'downvote' mode for 12 hours. yeah... silly thing. I agree with you. Downvote first and then 'upvote' mode on...... I can not understand with this policy. Nice ! :)
sorry. I still confused about "review period", is this mean we are can not upvote for 12 hours after author launch their posting. Nice :)
it means that that no one can upvote your post during the last 12 hours before the 7 day payout period ends. They can only downvote.
I like this change!
just wanted to ask the same question @beanz
Me too 😅