Getting curation Right CSI and thinking about SEO - My Steem Journal October 2019
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Thanks for your bug report and this great post!
The reason for the incorrect payout amounts resides in the Steem node's logic. We have a
total_payout_valuefield that comes from the node, but it does not contain the beneficiaries part for paid out posts. So, if 100% goes to the beneficiaries, the node returns a payout of $0.On Steemit your post payout is shown as:
(which is not really correct)
I've spent a few hours on this today and came to an acceptable solution I think:
It's still not 100% accurate, because it's impossible to know the exact values afterwards. I now use the
curator_payout_valuemuliplied by two as total payout in those cases. The 'returned payout' can't be calculated for this, so I just show it as 0%.If that won't be fixed in the node, I need to think about building an own solution that is purely based on reward shares (with a 'steem per mvests' history db in mind).
I wasn't expecting a fix this quickly, but I figured you would be able to understand what was wrong there better than most.
Before Steem.Dao, declining post reward was common, but nowadays setting beneficiaries is quite popular. Beneficiaries likely increase in popularity, too. I've seen a few people analyzing the use. Your tool is very helpful for this.
I think one thing to look at on the CSI line other than the score given is the number of votes, and the number of unique votes. As you say CSI score is affected by the amount of SP an account holds. For small accounts just starting, they are limited in the number of votes they can cast and still expect a return curation wise. Also they are getting their feet wet and learning the ropes, but even after all that, the fact remains they still have very little SP, and will tend to vote on people they have followed on their travels down Steemian Way. This does not make them a circlejerk voter expecting return votes for votes given. it is just a fact of life for the smaller SP accounts. Example this account of mine has just under 140 SP. Basically for the week it cast 80 votes, and 40 unique accounts, in the last 7 days. This equates to a CSI of 7.3.
Part of forming a network is trust. the only way to build SP and an account is to have quality people and things to vote on. Do I cast my vote on a known subject or individual, or do I throw my vote to the wind? There is a reason to follow people, there is a reason that people want to develop a following. If I say to myself that was a great read, but I voted on a post of theirs yesterday or earlier in the day so I can not vote for them again, am I doing anything to keep that individual on steem producing content that I enjoy reading or viewing?
There are people also that I vote on because they provide content opportunities for new users. Since I voted on their weekly post last week, does that mean I should not vote on them this week? Once again there is that situation where an individual providing an opportunity for a reason to post and a possible reward for the poster rethinking should they continue with their efforts if they have participation but no votes? It is a conundrum.
CSI is a good thing do not get me wrong, but there is a lot more to it than just that 7.3 rating number. I think a looking at the numbers is fine, but they may not tell the whole story, so a quick look at the out going vote wheel can put those numbers in perspective. If a voting CSI of 20 has 1/4 of the outgoing vote wheel in one color then that CSI score did you no good on it's own. If you are going to use a tool, (the CSI score), use the whole tool, a hammer has a claw foot for a reason, and that is to yank those bent nails out not just the hammer part to smash the bent bad nail into the wood.
Manually finding nice content to vote on is not an easy thing to do, and the more SP you have the longer it will take.
I actually do not post with this account very often, it will one day become a curation account, or that is my hope, so in the meantime for things that I want to post but not on my primary account I have this one. This account of mine does not need the support, but when ruling accounts, (which is really people) out I just thought maybe a more full look would be possible.
Briefly “in here” this morning @abitcoinskeptic, enjoyed this informative post.
Extracting this …
… do you mind sharing with us how you came up with the % values? I see where you got the 80, but not sure from there. I have always liked quantitative measures, i.e. KPIs, so hoping to learn something.
Smiled on this …
… as, according to you, I must be doing okay. 😉
Always something new to learn, so thanks for the effort you invested into creating this post! 👍
P.S. On this - ”If you have any suggests for who to curate, follow or just want to engage, please oblige me.” - I would encourage you to consider @blessed-girl and @leveuf. I would’ve also highly recommended @insight-out, but she hasn’t posted in a long time …
P.P.S. Unrelated to your post here, but since our last “exchange,” thought it might interest you to know I have begun to spend a little time figuring out where to invest my downvotes …
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I also really like figures, that's why I think Steem combined with these analytical tools are great!
I get it from here, you can see efficiencies at the far right.
Getting it to ~50% is great because curation rewards are currently at 50% so that would mean a 0.02 vote returns 0.01 to you and 0.01 to the author. Apparently there are tools to help and predict, but I don't use any or know much about that.
It can take a little time to load, especially for those like us who vote for a lot of different accounts.
Your CSI is really great, too. I think everyone should try to increase this value before others. It's one of the best measures for the strength of the network. It would be neat to see global statistics. However from what I saw, above 20 isn't very common, so you are doing very well to spread your vote around.
Glad you liked the post. I think if people are aware of tools to judge quality and interconnectedness, things will keep improving.
I've followed all these accounts, from there few last posts, they look like great authors.
I don't expect everyone to downvote or follow my style, but you don't have to look very hard to find abuse or people who are over rewarded. As you just linked above, there are much better authors out there who probably deserve more. And bad actors can always improve. I usually remove my downvotes if asked nicely anyway.
Very good @abitcoinskeptic. Thank you for that! Funny it is down in a section of SteemWorld I have never used. And I love SteemWorld! 😊
Reminds me of my role prior to my recent retirement as a Business Analyst. While I am unaware of any definitive study of the topic, it wass a pretty widely held belief (in the professional circles where I live anyway) that only a small fraction of the total power of most applications is ever harnessed for the benefit of the organization who paid for them.
So ... Here I am learning about a feature of SteemWorld that I never took the time to check into. As you indicated, it took awhile to load, but here is where I ended up:
It appears, from your input above, that this isn't too bad. Honestly, I truly am an investor in Steem, but I have never taken the time to understand this type of information better. I typically just browse around "in here" and do whatever seems right and figure the "chips will fall where they will" from there. Probably an indication I am not that good of an investor ... 😉
Moving forward, benefiting from your detailed post here, hopefully I'll remember to keep a closer eye on these numbers. Thanks again for the assist! 👍
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Glad you liked this feature. From your early CSI share, it looked like you voted around 1000 times in a week which is more than me. It needs to read and calculate all those cases.
Your weighted average is a lot higher than your average.
You likely give out a lot of smaller upvotes automatically or more haphazardly to people you just want to support. You don't pay much attention to maximizing curation rewards when doing this (maybe a lot are automatic).
You give out larger votes, probably mostly manually to things you really like or feel need the extra support.
Actually, I think a weighted average of above 50 is great. If you can get it to above 60, you are doing very well. That's my goal. You can just try to do a few less smaller votes for accounts that are already well supported. I've stopped auto-voting for anything already above 15SBD (my tool let's me set this). I rarely vote for anything above 50 SBD manually unless it's really profound or exceptional. It's helping my curation a bit and for the most part I can find more than enough content at this level. Very few authors I follow (other than steemitblog who burns it all anyway) normally hit above 50SBD.
So many topics to consider, and just as many acronyms and definitions. Being a Mother for the @steemterminal, my main focus has always been trying to help new Students that have arrived on the Blockchain. Then, being a writer for the @steembasicincome group, finally... curation on the posts I feel are providing positive energy for the Blockchain. I don't ever really think in terms of "old steem" or "new steem"... I'm reminded of the slogans used by food corporations...
This is a great collection of information... and I appreciate the length at which you went to share it. Thank you for that...
Wes
This is the 2nd time I've heard of Steem terminal from these comments. I've got to check it out now. Helping new arrivals is important. I try to target more intermediate users, people who have their investment (time + money) to consider, or those are ready to start looking at the bigger picture.
There is so much valuable information on Steem. It's most important to help people find it all.
Helping is what we do! We are a part of the @heyhaveyamet initiative, that finds new Steemians via the #introduceyourself tag... providing a highlight they may not have got... upvote, and an invitation to the @steemterminal where we provide answers about the Blockchain, Discord, and even just a fun conversation, or positive advice for real-life issues. We consider ourselves family. Here... let me give you a lift!
I appreciate the reply and perhaps see you soon...
Wes
Thank you for sharing this information and doing what you do.
Glad to have you supporting #spud @abitoinskeptic and we are doing #spud8 yup 8 heheheh next. Anyhow, take care and keep up those amazing efforts!! Take care.
8 is one of my favorite digits. cheers to a happy 7 and best of luck during 8. maybe i'll try to spud some more next month, but I guess I'll need to buy more Steem (or get extremely lucky)
That's a really detail report and I like your holistic approach.
I never knew what CSI stands for as everytime I see it on Steemworld I think of the TV series. Now I wish I don't know. But then I know my engagement has always let me down on Steemit because I don't like commenting for the sake of commenting. And hence is the reason why I like to run little contests or challenges every now and then instead. Anyway, I started a postcard social experiment last mont if you're interested ^_^
By the way, you made a good call on @delishtreats.
I like numbers and I'm really starting to take interest in SEO. I think Steemitworldmap is an excellent way to improve it - especially for tourism stuff.
The more I learn and think about CSI, the more I realize it is the answer to a lot of problems on Steem. I thought CSI meant the same thing as you. The Steemworld CSI rank only considers your SP, the number of unique votes, self-votes and the number of votes (as far as I know). The main idea is the reach of your voting engagement. Comments don't matter. In Asher's league those are important, but so are comments.
I saw that postcard experiment. I'll look into it more on your next post about it.
Following individuals is a new idea of mine, but I'm going to be very careful about who I follow and only for a month at a time.
Thank you Pauline! :)
Stats are part of learning the history within a system, need to know where to go going forward, adjusting along the way.
Excellent well explained reasoning on this @abitcoinskeptic learn something new everyday. Fresh ideas and insight helps others progress forward, thanks!
The blockchain and stats go hand in hand. I think my writing topics scare some people. It's not always easy reading. I need to take a break and do a few simple posts.
I'm glad you liked it. It also helps me progress forward, too.
I'm coming back. Again. Lots to think about on a Friday afternoon. The CSI - I didn't know. There are lots of take aways from this that I'll come back to.My CSI is crap. So is my curation. I've only posted 3x this month, with a fourth in the making for #spud7.
I'll be back :)
PS I'm scared you're going to put me in the #circlejerker category ;)
Just to clarify, I don't plan on punishing people for #circlejerking. I just won't auto vote or curate those. It's my standard for people to be able to realistically call themselves curators.
Case-by-Case I still definitely manually vote any content I like or feel needs attention general voting habits aside. Just don't end up on any proper blacklist with clear and obvious abuse, which I doubt is even possible in your case.
It's a heavy Friday night post. 3X in one month is a little low, but I think the quality is more important than the quantity. Have a good #spud7
@abitcoinskeptic
I am back and firstly - I was pulling your leg in my previous comment because, of course, you are focusing on curation....didn't you see the ;) ? ;)
Having re-read (and the comments), I have found more take aways, including that I have instinctively been doing the right thing of spreading my 50% vote as far as possible and trying not to vote too many times in a day. IMO curation takes as long as creation. Especially if one wants to make meaningful comments and engage.
I'm not a numbers person, but when someone explains numbers to me in words, I find it really helpful. So this, and where to look at number and what I'm seeing is extremely helpful.
On my small number of posts, two things. I have posted less frequently this month - and last - because I've been a little pre-occupied with stuff outside Steemland. However, an analysis of my posts shows that it's the long reads - 800+ words that get the return. Much better than curation. On rare occasions these can be quick to write (often because something is churning inside and needs to get out), but by and large, they take upward of 4 hours to prepare - the writing and the selection and editing of photographs. For me, though, that's a win-win: enjoying the creative process and the subsequent engagement. I don't hit the jackpot every time, but if I do once a month, even with the current price of Steem, I'm doing ok.
Lastly on #spud: This has taught me a lot about the benefits of powering up and when I joined the initiative, I also bought Steem with my SBD. I probably will again when I have enough to make it worth while. Doing that made a great deal of difference to where I can choose to put my vote. I've even delegated and leased some SP . I think I'm going to follow your lead, and @nickyhavey's advice, and rather than banking my Steem to power up on SPUD, I'm going to power up when the posts mature and then do a monthly tally. Why wait?
What I still have to decide is whether to retain the SP or whether to consider other leases. If I do the latter, I will select the accounts to which I lease very carefully. I will see better returns on curation from that, than I do from my own curation (which I'll continue to do).
Finally: a word of appreciation for these posts that, in layman's terms unpack what's going on on Steemit (and the vagaries of Steem). I learn a great deal which makes me think more critically about what I'm doing here and why.
Fiona
PS Like you I'm also getting more and more interested in SEO. But. It does mess with the creative writing process. IMO. We shall see.
Haha, I knew you were joking. However, some people who were reading my comments that day were definitely not joking so I wanted to play it safe.
I think you are on the right track with numbers. I know it's complicated for a lot of people, so when I use numbers and statistics, I try my best to avoid complicated language. It's hard enough for me to wrap my head around and I love numbers. Glad you found it helpful.
I also prefer longer posts. Quality over quantity is important, but I try to use shorter paragraphs, headings or pictures when it gets long to keep people happy. I would say it takes me around 2 to 4 hours to write the average blog. This doesn't include finding pictures or research. Just editing, making the outline and writing.
SPUD is very important. If you don't need the cash, or won't in the next 13 weeks, powerup. We are hardly at a selling point in the cycle. The chances of being better off later down the road are too great for me to resist. Also, I find the more Steem Power one has the more Respect they have. It's almost as or more important than reputation.
I think you should do a monthly tally whenever. I track certain things by month, week, post or year.
I'm not too big on leasing out my Steem anymore. I have the time to use it properly and as I mentioned above, the more you have the better you tend to do until a certain point. Once your average blog gets above 30SBD, you tend to lose support. It's much easier to target around 10 each.
As for SEO, I want to clarify more, it would definitely help you with Wordpress more than me with Steem. I'm not really going to make recommendations for Steemit or Steempeak, I'm sure they know what they are doing. I have a few tools I use from time to time for various elements of my blog, especially when I feel the topic or photos are lacking. I want to share them one time. You are probably familiar with some like Hemmingway or Grammarly. I do think Steempeak or Steemit should consider offering tips and suggestions on tags (make it so it can be turned off) editing toolbars, etc. If everyone's content improves, this only means good things.
Learning more about Steem and blogging in general keeps me happy and content here.
I am relieved - discretion is the better part of valour, right?
Exactly. Add that all in, and you're probably closer to 8 - 10 hours.
This I am learning. And yes, I think I will do a monthly tally and I am beginning to think more carefully about what I do with both my votes and my Steem.
My WP comes with YOAST which is SEO focused. I make use of it - quite a lot - it's quite helpful for readability scores. However, like Grammarly, it's US-English and because it focuses on "correctness", they "penalise" poetic license. That said, for a client's website, I make heavy use of it. And the other tools available.
Actually, I'd better get to it!
See you next time :D
I'm starting to experiment with the tools more and more myself. Actually, I signed up for Grammarly and I think they let me set it to Canadian English.
Color is underlined red, so is realised and theater. Perfect as they should be. I noticed UK and US. Not sure what spelling SA uses, but Canada is a mix of British and US...just tested it's good. But yeah, I hate how it ignores license. It still reminds me to double-check and sometimes it does catch things I shouldn't use my license for.
South Africa is a bit like Canada. The purists (I tend in that direction 🤐) use British English..
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Thank you for following my curation in November. I have no auto-votes and everything I do is done manually. I try to support as many people as I can and I usually give votes between 35 to 80% - when I like a post I don't mind giving a 100% vote as well.
I hope you won't be disappointed at the end of the month.
Have a good weekend!
Wow that's really great to know. If everyone tried to do more like thhis, Steem would be an even greater place.
I doubt I will be disappointed unless you substantially change your habits. I'm glad to give the people you find a little extra. If I'm happy with it, I may stcik to it longer or increase the %.
@abitcoinskeptic - you really gave some great and detailed information about curation here. I understand it a little better now. I appreciate the time it took you to do this post for us!
Glad you found that it was helpful. I do like writing these types of posts once in a while and it will be a monthly thing. I will change the format every month to keep things interesting, mostly for myself, but I guess others may like that.
Curation is difficult to grasp. It's not just voting, there needs to be a goal and a strategy. As long as the strategy isn't maximizing earnings from curation, I'm interested.