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RE: Steem-UA and Utopian

in #steem-ua6 years ago

@zoef, your post more or less has two aspects, which I'll now publicly address, again:

-1- Utopian contributions:
As I have explained multiple times, to you, announced in posts, and in our Discord public channels, the only reason to vote utopian contributions "in between" (and not within the regular algorithmic batched rounds) is to not favor those Utopian posts over others. Utopian, is the only high-UA account on Steem constantly upvoting approved HQ Utopian contributions with a lot of SP, and commenting on those posts as well. There is nothing wrong with that.

But our @steem-ua Algorithmic Curation Batched scoring works, via ...

UA_Vote = x * UA_Account + y * UA_Post + z * UA_Comment

Because each approved Utopian contribution adds disproportional amounts to both UA_Post and UA_Comment, we decided to only compare the Utopian contributions to themselves, which we do.

-2- high-SP Sponsor Rewards:
When we went live, with @steem-ua, you whole-heartedly delegated about 2200 SP, which accounted for about 98% of your entire SP. Because you did that, I publicly announced that I wanted to reward you for that, by adding you to the high-SP Sponsor Rewards, currently only eligible for sponsors delegating >= 5,000 SP. Which I did only, after asking other (bigger) sponsors if they were OK with that; I also announced it in my post prior to our first weekly Sponsor pay-out.

Afterwards, you contacted me - as you are explaining yourself in this post of yours - that you expected a higher reward, still, that you felt you deserved / wanted more.

In your post, you are comparing our high-SP ROI (well, that in the first week) to 100% self-voting 7 * 10 every week and by delegating to bid-bots. While I am happy to explain your calculations are wrong, I refer to https://steem-ua.com/stats , where you can see (bottom chart) that the cumulative proportion of small SP delegations is rising. In short, that means ROI for high-SP sponsors is getting better and better.

Now, the @steem-ua delegation system is intended to incentivize planktons and minnows to delegate 250 SP because that is far more profitable than self-voting comments and "shitposts" (credits to @berniesanders for that term). I want to encourage people to publish good content, to not self-vote, to network, meet friends, have fun, and to let planktons feel that it is actually still possible for them to earn on Steem.

Does that mean that the current sponsors whole-heartedly delegating 50,000 SP to @steem-ua are treated badly by me? Am I deceiving them, leading them to "bad ROI"? No, and I'm quite sure that investors owning a lot of SP agree: a real investor, investing in something good, is not driven by immediate ROI but sees the potential of his/her investments in the mid-to-long term.

@scipio

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Well here we go again.

By excluding them there is no real batch for them. Meaning that the algorithm will work solely for them. That means they don’t get planted in between the other posts. And when you look at utopian posts you clearly see the advantage of that. 0.5 – 0.6 - 1.23 (this one got 3 comments and a upvote from utopian of 110, so it makes me believe there is more to it than we thought. As I cannot prove this I will not go into details) are just some of the votes I could find. While 100s of posts receive a 0.1 upvote. You can say that a lot of them are not worth any upvote but some do.

Please explain why my calculations are wrong? I received them so I can tell you they are correct. And don’t forget there was one mistake in there (intentional to use in a situation like this). The upvote from steem-ua has not gotten the curation deducted :P. so the 0.4 = 0.3. Tnx for sharing that with us.

A real investor knows these things in advance! If they don’t get the full story they call it a break of contract and sue whoever did not tell them everything. I agree an investor looks at the long road ahead. But I can not trust someone who is not transparent with this details.

P.S.: I thought you would no longer respond to me?
P.S.: And why did you kick me of steem-ua? I guess I used up my usefullnes.

@steem-ua votes to Utopian posts are in the same ranges Zoef. Here's an example. I'm sure you can find others that are higher, so can I find regular batched examples that are higher.

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And again: we use our same algorithm to compare utopian contributions to eachother, as stated multiple times now.

PS: you are not "kicked" from @steem-ua. You decided yourself to undelegate (currently 0 SP). I did block your DMs now, but you are still welcome in the steem-ua Discord Server.

For all of you who don't want to go and search for the post scipio is talking about. It is one who got a vote for 0.2. None the less we can go back and forth with i find this and you find that.

The essence remains the same. It is a special agreement that has huge benefits for utopian.

I was removed from steem-ua discord. As I myself did not leave the server. You saying I was not is a tat silly.

The last 2000 votes from @steem-ua giving out in normal voting rounds are between 5.6% and 0.05% with a mean vote percentage of 1.65%. A utopian related vote is in the same range. @scipio explained it. You have not been banned from the discord by the way.

Tnx for this info. I hope people will see it. (if you allow me I can take a screenshot and add this info to my post).

Yes I was removed holger80. I don't know by who but I was.

I would like to delegate 75 SP please send me the link in order to do so?
Yours Always
Pricasso ;)

I would like to delegate 75 SP please send me the link in order to do so?

Yours Always
Pricasso ;)

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