THE STRANGER - PAPA'S ADVICE FOR NEWER USERS - PART 2

in #steem-help7 years ago (edited)

INTRODUCTION

After a private conversation with a newer user the other day, I thought that it would be best for me to share a bit of my advice with the entire community. I answer a lot of questions in chats with others, but then only that particular user gets the advice, and the rest of you miss out. In case you missed the first part of this series, you can find it HERE.

Since steemit is a community, I used the analogy of a neighborhood in my last post, with newer users being strangers who just moved into town. Specifically, I covered first impressions and introducing yourself to individuals last time. Today, I will build upon the foundation that I have previously laid.

A FEW GOOD POINTS

Before I officially begin, there were two points that other steemians brought up yesterday in the comment section of my previous post. I felt that they were so accurate and thought-provoking, that I would mention them here to help others grasp a deeper understanding.

In his reply yesterday, @jonknight had this to say about some users:


here to make money (they think), and not to make community.


This struck me as interesting. It seems that many of us, myself included, have spend a lot of time and effort into helping build this community. Making a better steemit a better community has its own rewards, but an interesting byproduct for many of us has been the rewards. If we focus on putting out solid content that adds to the community, help and encourage others, and take action in ways that bless this community and its members, then sometimes the money comes anyway. Those who only focus on money often end up disappointed. Thanks @jonknight for the food for thought.

The second comment that I thought was worthy to share came from @awesomianist, who wrote the following:


The reason you have the recognition you get is not because of your effort for that post. it is the culmination of your work over the whole year, 12 months, 365 days, non-stop. Many of us don't see your 1 dollar posts, 7 cent posts, 0 cent posts.


I had mentioned in the previous post that post payouts are not always about being rewarded for that specific post, because plenty of much better posts than mine get much lower payouts. Building a following and real support takes time. Therefore, it is often the particular steemian as whole, including their previous presence, involvement, and investment in the community, that is reflected in the potential post payout. I've certainly spent way more time on some posts that got far less rewards before.

Basically, a brand new user with an amazing post has a high probability of being overlooked and not rewarded well. However, by consistently posting quality original content you are investing in the culmination of your presence on steemit.

Remember, steemit is a great place to meet incredible people and interact while sharing ideas and information with others. It is one of the very few places online where you could potentially be rewarded for your time, but that may take a lot of effort and there are no promises or guarantees.

NOT JUST SHOWING UP ON DOORSTEPS – BEING SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY

In the last post I mentioned about ”introducing yourself personally” to people, and making sure to make a good first impression. This is when you leave a comment on someone else’s post. A real comment can encourage others to see you who are and what you’ve been up to, without begging them to do so.

I also talked about posting consistently in the last post. When you make the effort to post and comment on a daily basis, you are leaving evidence of your existence. The more evidence that there is that you exist in our community, the more likely others are to notice you. Each comment and post you make is how others have the opportunity to “see you” in the community.

When they search certain tags that you have posted in, they can happen upon your post, and “see you there.” When they read the posts of others and notice your relevant comments, they can see you again. Though they may show up days after you were there, you still left evidence of you being there for others to see. Basically, comments and posts are like little messages that read, “@papa-pepper was here.”

Of course if someone just sees that you’ve left 50 comments on trending demanding “FOLLOW ME,” you will not be giving a good impression of yourself and others will most likely NOT follow you. This is why it is important to leave real comments and post high-quality posts. Be present in the community, but in a good way.

HEY! I LIKE THAT GUY!

As a newer user who may basically be a "stranger" in our community, your investment in others with comments and upvotes is important. You may wonder why, if your upvote is only worth a few cents or less, that I would say your upvote is important. Basically, it is one of the few things that you can offer others. Since only the top 20 voters (ranked by Steem Power of the upvotes) show when someone clicks on the total number of votes, no one will see a newer minnows vote listed there once they have more than 20 votes on a post.

For a newer user then, commenting on the posts that you upvote is crucial, in my opinion. Without a comment, the author will most likely never know that you were there. Also, without a real comment, they will never care. Trust me, the votes and comments from people who basically say "upvote me" or "follow me" are by and large overlooked. They just clutter up a reply section of a post and people train themselves to move past them in order to find the real comments that actually relate to the post.

I've seen hundreds if not thousands of them already, and my life will not be improved at all by reading a thousand more "upvote me" comments. I don't have time for that. I want real connection and real interaction, because that is how relationships are built and communities grow.

When we see real comments on our own posts and the posts of others, we get intrigued by the user who is commenting. When a user frequently does that, we see a pattern. This user actually reads what they comment on and makes relevant replies! Some of these real comments actually get upvotes on them too to show support for such interaction. Later, when we notice a post from a user who's been making real comments, we say "Hey! I like this guy!" and are more likely to check it out and support their efforts.

I have frequently either "happened upon" posts from users I recognize from elsewhere or specifically look them up just because of their real comments. As long as I like the post that I see from them and see that it is original work, I upvote it to support that author. There are others who do likewise. In these situations, it is the user behind the post who is being supported, and not specifically the post being rewarded. This ties back in with what @awesomianist wrote in the reply yesterday.

MORE THAN JUST A GOOD POST

There are some users who have shown up and not interacted much. They made good posts and whales found them, choosing to give them continual support. They have not helped others much or invested in the community beyond making quality posts, and yet they have been rewarded. There is nothing wrong with any of that.

However, it is far more likely that the rest of us are going to have to work very hard to get noticed around here. Thankfully, even small amounts of Steem Power can now have more of an effect on the potential payouts. Before, it took me many months to ever have my vote be worth more than a cent. In those days, you really needed a whale to notice you to get any real payout. Now though, just a few large minnow or dolphin votes can get you a few dollars in potential payout.

This is one of the reasons why I think that now is one of the best times to be getting started on steemit. With real investment and effort, this is an amazing opportunity that steemit is offering all of us. Trust me, it is not just some quick-cash, everyone is a winner, lottery where everyone gets fat paid every day. If such a site exists, let me know! But steemit is not that, is it? It is too good of an opportunity for us not to at least try to learn and apply though, isn't it?

I've got a bit more to share, but I'll safe that for tomorrow. For today, I'll just let you digest what I have shared today. Participation on steemit.com is voluntary, but as long as we choose to be here, we are all in this together and I want to make it as good as it possibly can be. Don't be a stranger! Get out there and interact, show us that you exist, and leave evidence of where you've been. None of us can support everyone every day, but we should at least try to be the type of users that people want to support when they can, or when they do see us.

I'll leave you with this video that I think is applicable based on what I shared. It was the 12th video in my 18 part advice series. If you want even more, the whole series is linked in the comment section of this post. Steem on!

Until next time…

Don’t waste your time online, invest it with steemit.com


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Thank you @papa-pepper for another thought provoking post. You are 100% right about building a community, and not just saying vote for me or follow me. One of the things we have done is too support others projects, sponsor others, and select a couple very low level minnows to support. It's very difficult for us since we get allot of noise from many people. Let us know if you need anything and hope to see you at steemfest this year.

Thanks thats cool that you support the minnows. I'm just curious how do you decide which ones to support?

Hey @exploretraveler, love this comment and it's cool to see you explain how you've grown your following as well. Question for you - what projects / sponsorships did you do when you were starting out?

I definitely think interaction is key to building a community presence on Steemit and working my way up into the ranks of bigger fish.

I noticed a sharp drop in the interaction my posts received when I (involuntarily) disappeared for nearly two weeks. It's almost like starting over.

I love that as a redfish, I am able to give a nickel vote instead of a penny (or less), it's important to me to help others (especially small fish) feel motivated on the platform.

Thank you for your work and dedication to the community.

Ouch! Such a break would lead to less interaction. Good attitude about encouraging others.

I tried to keep up the interaction in chat while I waited to get back in, but yeah, it was rough.

Yes steady interaction is always key here since there is many aspects to who is doing what and for why.

I appreciate you saving some for tomorrow and not putting out too much information for the Bandit to absorb at once. I like how you keep referring to "real comments". I can't stand to see comments that are not even relevant to the post. You know the person didn't actually read it and it's kinda insulting. A guy gave me advice similar to yours and said to look at it as giving to the community rather than receiving and you will not be disappointed. Thanks for taking the time to post these tips!

Glad that you appreciate it all. I like your stuff man!

Also, thanks for the REAL COMMENT!

Hi @papa-pepper. I'm one of the newbie, only stumbling onto the platform about a week ago because of my investigation into different crypto currencies.

The community has really been an eye opener for me. It is not people just 'pretty' people posting fitness stuff in tight clothes on Instagram or people posting from the toilet like Facebook... what is striking is how 'real' the community is.

I'm a lover of tech and have a passion for trail running and what wondering what I should post. I tried in few things and promptly realized that the best thing to do is just post what your passion is, the rest will follow.

Real people, real comments, real feelings... damn, I think this must be the 'most real' social platform in the world. ;) Thank for building it and helping us newbies. Greetings from South Africa.

Yup, post your passions and have them be as varied as you are. Be patient, make friends, and grow!

Great comment @extremejogging and this place is great. Here we can find each others passions and not just people selling themselves for votes. But it does happen, and sometimes they are rewarded for their shallow posts but in the long run real passion and quality win out. Love this thread! FYI - Really like your photographs on your page.

I don't have WHALE Friends either PAPA but that is OK. It is all about the Journey this is a One Day at a Time Adventure. I as well as you have been BLESSED and Effort and Hard Work do Pay Off. I am listening to the Advice Tip Video right now and what I am getting out of it is.........I Just Want to have a LIFE. Thank You my Brother......STEEM On.

Thanks for the feedback! STEEM ON!

Allot of us don't have whale friends so keep up the hard work. One day your efforts will pay off, and who know what Steemit will be like in five years :-)

Could not agree more - it is 100% about leaving evidence of your presence and your value, plus it's just fun to connect with people! I set myself a target of commenting at least 15 times a day, but only if I can help out that person in some way with my comment. Otherwise, I am just spamming and not being helpful.

Great piece @papa-pepper :)

Glad to hear about your target and understanding of it! Thanks man!

"Real connection and interaction" and I'd like to add a lively dialogue that leads to either open-ended questions and/or a potential future post.
I get some of my own post ideas from reading other members' posts. Then I can refer my readers to that person by hyperlinking their post; opening a new possible connection between both.
Both Part 1 & 2 of your posts are full of tips that new, and for that matter all, members can take something away from.

Great way to create additional dialogue and conversation in the community!

That is one of the things I absolutely love about steemit. The ability to carry on intelligent conversations and share ideas or brainstorm.

Yes! I think a key part of interacting and making a worthwhile contribution is being a careful reader and fully understanding the post before you comment. Being able to give specifics about how you agree or disagree makes for better community and better understanding. If another user disagrees with one of my comments and they have a clear point of view with specifics backing it up, I will usually upvote them and then tell them why I think they are wrong. Mind you my 100% upvote is a full ¢1 so it might be taken as an insult. Although it is meant to say thank you for listening to me and for giving me a clear response of how you feel. This is the kind of interaction that will benefit the community and make us grow! Papa knows best!

@papa-pepper With your experience and rise up through your time invested in Steemit, I believe that there is no one else better suited to provide guidance to newcomers. I am impressed.by the detail in which you have shared your wisdom and experience. As I read, each point felt like "oh yes - I have experienced this" and I kept wishing I had known it before. Lol.

Steemit is like a real world community and your analogy of a neighbourhood is spot on. When I joined 3 months ago, I tried to focus on good content but had no clue about being social, helpful and freidly to other members of community. I did write thoughtful comments but then ended them with promotion of my own posts. I think only the kind heartedness of Steemians made them ignore that and guide me to grow.

I am thankful to you and all other senior Steemians who strive to support newcomers. Bravo. Upvoted.

Well said Pappa! Thank you for taking the time to encourage up and coming minnows with advice like this! Engagement is everything on this platform! Whether it is in comments like here, or actually talking to people on steem.chat or Discord, if people like you, they will want to support you!

Of course we still have to bring something unique to the table to make us stand out in the crowd. We can't just sit and agree with everything you say and get noticed! Like you said in your previous post, be genuine to yourself, own who you are, and find other people who like the same things! Heck, maybe there's even a niche out there for follow 4 follow types. If they find each other, maybe they'll leave the rest of us alone!

Always out here enjoying your posts man! Thanks for another good one!!!

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