On the "imminent death" of Steem-Engine // "overpriced tokens" of steem-engine // and the fate of steem-engine in a post SMT world
This is a common thread that I find out there. @steemitblog just launched a piece about SMTs. Now, I'm seeing these types of questions. So, I want a post to address it.
The general questions are "What's going to happen to steem-engine after SMTS come out? Are you just gonna die? Also, your pricing is way too high, who is gonna want your much more expensive and slower tokens when I can just get a cheap and quick SMT?"
Those are fair questions, and I thought I should answer them. In short:
We're not going to die. We're going to kick ass.
These tokens are still vastly cheaper.
We're a smart contract platform, we do shit steem/SMTs can't/don't.
We're not going to die
Steem-engine isn't in competition with steemit or smts. We're going to help launch them. Steemit may or may not have a place where you can create these tokens. You will likely need a site to help you with a graphical user interface for the experience of actually creating your smt especially if you're a non-dev trying to get in there. We hope to be one of the first ones helping people set these things up.
Steemit may think that adding SMTs should be super cheap. I don't . I think it needs a BURN to make people buy steem off the market and burn it so the price gets out of the shitter. I don't buy the argument that just making them cheap is the way to go. If you make SMTs through steem-engine.com you're gonna burn Steem. It'll be more than 3.
If you don't make them through steem-engine, and later want your smt listed on steem-engine guess what we're gonna make you do?
I currently think 100-1000 steem is the right burn amount. TBD. The token creator might be mildly pissed at me for this (they won't actually care because a successful token launch can bring in so much more than 100-1000 Steem that it's peanuts anyway). The rest of the community can thank me later.
These tokens are vastly cheaper
"Hey dickhead, 3100 ENG costs more than 3 steem. Are you stupid?"
No, I'm not stupid, and please don't call me a dickhead, but you need to remember something. Getting your token listed costs a metric fuckton. A friend of mine with a well known project recently started his own blockchain project. He took his project to lots of different exchanges. The price tag to get his token listed at the cheapest was 2 btc. At the more expensive ones it was 15btc. They also didn't like the chain he was using, so he'd have to make an erc20 out of it.
So, yes 3100 ENG >> 3 Steem
but 3100 ENG << 3 Steem + 2-15 BTC
So, I remain confidant that I'm currently ~$20k cheaper than the SMT option IF you want it listed and tradable somewhere (ie if you want anyone in the ecosystem to think your token has value).
Internal Market
"But aggroed, they'll make an internal market for these. That'll smoke your exchange too!"
Well again, things that function just like Steem can be traded there, and there will be some. But things like NFTs and securities likely won't be there. I think there will be enough missing and enough legal hurdles that will make it like the internal market now: A nice quiet place to trade, but unlikely to compete with real exchanges.
The other challenge is incentive. People beyond just me are pushing steem-engine all the time. There's incentive for us to do this. We make money. No one makes money by pushing the internal exchange. There's no incentive. So, even though it's cool it never really gets mass adopted. Maybe this will be different with a worker proposal or something, but I personally doubt it. And even if it happens, it's still just SMTs, and not all the other things we do/can do.
SMTS and Scot are not mutually exclusive
I think in the future people are highly likely to have a SMT and pegged Scot or Scot and Pegged SMT in the future. I'm betting both will be a part of life. They will have different complementary functions.
By the way, I run a business. If you create a 3-steem SMT I'm going to charge you somewhere in the vicinity of 3000 ENG to get deposits enabled on my exchange. Hint: it's still cheaper than 2 BTC. Double hint: It'll be cheaper to just make a Scot and have it appear automatically.
So, rerun your maffs people.
I'm going to create my own exchange with blackjack and SMTs so I don't have to pay your stupid listing fees
That's great. You can do that. You can use the code we have because it's all opensource. The license is friendly and will allow you to do that.
As it turns out making the marketplace/exchange isn't that hard. git clone
is easy enough that even I can do it. A major hurdle is getting people to use it. Maintaining this thing is harder than it looks. Adding features via new devs isn't quite so simple as my haters like to imagine.
If there's someone rich and powerful with their own community it's possible steem-engine might actually lose that race, but barring that I think you'll find that starting from scratch against what we've built even by copying exactly what we've built without the people that built it or the relationships we have will bring you costs, wasted time, a good learning experience, and a few new friends. It will be a neat journey but unlikely to give you a competing exchange.
Can you think of an example of that already?
fruits and veggies
A potato generally ins't in competition with a strawberry. I mean, yeah they are two foods you can eat, but one is a fruit and one is a vegetable. Unless you're absolutely broke and starving you typically want both in your diet (shut up keto people, this isn't about you). They are different parts of your diet.
Well compare them anyway...
If you want an SMT that is exactly an SMT and want it to be on the base layer than SMTs are better than Scot.
If you want something with an SMT ability that has any capability beyond SMTs I think it's likely Scot will be better.
Why? We can code 10x faster than steemit or the steem community can. That's not a diss on devs. That's a reality of coding at the blockchain layer rather than coding on a layer 2. It's also JS vs C++. We're always (as long as we don't start to suck) going to have more and better features then them. They may incorporate things we do later, but it's my contention we'll always be steps ahead because our process involves the side chain.
As long as SMTs are black
Look, I like the Henry Ford quote to describe this. The Model T comes in whatever color you want so long as that color is black.
SMTs are a robust protocol. They do a lot of things, but they do exactly 1 robust thing. They are SMTs. If you want anything for your token beyond that then SMTs aren't going to do it or they aren't likely to do it for a long time.
Steem-engine is a smart contract platform. We're adding a recurring payment system and NFTs as two examples of things we can add before it's even on Steemit's radar (or the communities radar) as a thing to add.
So, if you want a token that functions pretty much exactly like Steem does in Steemit.com then SMTs are going to be better for you than Scot. If you want a token that can or will do anything beyond the scope of what's included in the SMT whitepaper it's my contention that Scot will be better.
Conclusion
We won't die. We're going to kick ass! SMTs that have value aren't going to be cheaper than Scot. We're going to stay ahead. These things are complimentary anyway.
I'll see you again soon at steem-engine.com
Now, if you could just explain the whole cryptosphere in fruit and veggies terms, that would be really great for me. :D
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People love to be negative but great entrepreneurs like you continue to bring out innovation and improvement at an extraordinary rate.
Keep up the good work. Steem Engine tokens are perfect for my purposes (tokenised litigation funding) and I plan to create plenty more of them in the future.
I look at the amount of time, money and developer effort it has taken Lawcoin (another tokenised litigation funding project) to create their tokens on the Ethereum blockchain and the superiority of Steem-Engine is self evident.
Every single thing I've looked at with Ethereum has baffled me. I'm not dumb but trying to understand where the "WHEN" tokens I know I got from Scott Adams are to be found on Metamask has me completely baffled.
Everything with Steem and Steem-Engine is as close to intuitive as possible: sending transfers to real, human readable names is so much better than the hex of other crypto.
Yup those human readable account names make EVERYTHING easier. ALSO there will be more than just steem-engine.com , we will have many front ends and maybe we can have @esteem-app @good-karma build Trading and steem engine tokens into their desktop wallet. we can and will have many desktop and mobiel wallets
@steempeak and its dev @asgarth will probz be closest to allowing market orders on their front end , or maybe at least staking and unstaking buttons :D
You have done great things for this community and continue to do so. There will always be those few that are pissed off because they missed the bus and the only ones they should be blaming are themselves. These are the people that wont end up getting anywhere in life to put in bluntly.
The biggest thing for me in this whole equation, is that Steem-Engine is here, and working and doing things. It has been implemented. People are creating tokens. And people are using the creation process and market. Steemit/Steem always seems to have been long on promises and painfully short (and delayed!) on actually delivering on those promises.
So beyond the valid points you bring up, with every day that passes Steem-Engine establishes a little more of that "First Mover Advantage" which tends to have a more far reaching impact on the business world than most are willing to give it credit for.
=^..^=
Glad to see you address these issues head on.. I've wondered but never quite got to the calling you a dickhead stage.. I personally think @steem-engine has been a breath of fresh air for the blockchain.. I'm enjoying the #newsteem as its been called. !tip
There are a lot of nay-says in this world, they will always find a reason to try and slight those who create new ways of doing things. I applaud what you have done for Steem. I'm excited about the communities that are emerging.
Shut up Keto people, this isnt about you
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Lol I bet you're right @aggroed you're going to kick asses for sure XD. Well explained. Steem Engine has utility and will have it still when SMT's are released, there are already some interesting tokens in it, with proyects that support this, they won't dissapear in a blink eye.
So far we only get this, not SMT.