SPIRITUAL FOOD 4 THOUGHT - CHRIST IS DEAD!
Yeah, it's a catchy title, but seriously...
It sounds strange, but unfortunately, I think it is true in most churches. The body of Christ is made up of believers who each have different spiritual gifts to use within that body. However, these days very few believers are ever allowed the freedom to function in modern church meetings.
In our physical bodies, there are no vestigial organs. Every body part has a role to play, and often just one member of the body not functioning can kill the entire body. May it be the same in the church? If the body members are not allowed to function, is the body of Christ not indeed dead?
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This reminded me of Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me"
If you read this closely you will see Jesus OUTSIDE the church....which makes you wonder what "Jesus" are they worshiping on the inside?
Christ is not dead. He isn't even sick. 😊
Seriously though, when Christ returns he will take all those who profess to love him and separate the wheat from the chaff (lukewarm believers). So the wheat (the true believers) will be the bride and the body in Christ.
You speak in wisdom.
LOL - Nice.
Man, I love that you arw coming with some heavy hitters! The idea that every church is filled with Jesus is a fantasy. Churches are well off of the path that has been laid out. It is almost like the early church maybe had a bunch of people come to someones house, so they needed a bigger place..and then boom they turned right back into the brick and mortar that Jesus spoke against.
Opinions are good. After all, thinking makes us develop.
Absolutely. Thanks @edgarsart!
If they could de-centralize the Vatican, more people might return to faith in religion.
LOL - Yeah, that's a whole 'nother issue.
Well. I watched your video @papa-pepper and as they say in silicon valley, "there's a lot to unpack here," but I'll just write a little.
I grew up in a "church family" with a number of leaders related to me. So, I kinda got to peek behind the curtain" and see the side of them that the public never did. You know, like in The Wizard of Oz. I saw him with his makeup off.
My Grandfather led two churches, ran several companies, and despite being wealthy, never did anything for the poor.
We had a huge empty basement in his small town and a handful of homeless people. As a teen, I asked if we could use five army cots to let these folks sleep in over the Winter since there was no shelter. There were bathrooms/showers down there, and it was unused most of the year.
His response? "I'm not gonna let those filthy people into the house of God." Yet, it was perfectly fine to hold bake sales, raffles, and profitable games of chance during the Summer. I had to listen to my Grandparents brag about all the money they had while they made fun of the poor at the dinner table.
I remembered reading about Jesus chasing the money-changers out of the Temple... The greed of these people was astounding.
Like you, I felt powerless as no one dared to question the leader. When you see the rot from the inside, and cannot change anything, it may be time to leave. It was for me. You may need to do what has to be done on your own. Find like-minded people and maybe have services in homes like they did long ago.
Sorry for the long post, the title did it's work. I wouldn't say God is dead, I'd say the church is...
Ouch! That is a painful "faith" to be exposed to!
With a provocative title like that, I thought you wanted to spark a discussion, that's why I wrote as much as I did. Well, you have a wonderful weekend @papa-pepper
Oh yeah, I don't mind interaction, I was just short on time when I replied and then took a day off.
Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I suppose the organized church would find this belief a threat. They would say that Sunday School or other church activities offer the body participation. But sitting in a pew does not offer edification, participation and is only passive. Thanks @papa-pepper
Yeah, that they would... of course, if God expects people to obey what He says.... then the organized church would be seen as a threat...
Sorry, but Christ is first and foremost a personality if we say that Christ is alive. The holy Spirit is a personality, God is a personality, they are trinity, but these are personalities. It seems to me that the phrase Christ is a believer, is not entirely true. Christ, he is pure. And among the believers there are those who stumble. I myself sometimes give free rein to my character, and this does not happen when I expel the scribes from the building of the temple. I hope that I correctly expressed my thoughts in English.
I think that you are expressing yourself accurately in English. My point though is that scripture clearly teaches that believers are the body of Christ, and if His body is not allowed to function, then His body is dead. If that makes sense...
You are absolutely right now. We are the body of Chris. But we cannot say that we are Christ. The Gospel of Matthew 24 chapter warns us that someone may call himself the Christ. The body of Christ is broken for us. It can be tortured, it can feel pain and joy, like a nervous system, but it is not Christ himself.
I have lived on what I would call both sides of a Christian life. In my early days I did not follow the example He left us. Later as my heart was transformed and I felt a closer relationship with Him I was compelled to do more for others and I did so with joy. I think that is the self test. When you love Jesus you can't help, but be compelled to do what you can to help others. You are saved and you know it and you know that good deeds have nothing to do with your salvation, but you do good things even when you know you don't have to.