so....
A. @rakkasan84 has no interest in an 'intellectual' conversation.
B. Thinks that a quick google search, and copy paste of anything similar covers as an answer.
C. places a link to an article and information that, may in fact, not apply to this discussion at all.
I am still interested in a conversation. If you are short on time, feel free to respond when you do have time to.
You got caught using a stolen image to promote Steemcleaners, which is quite ironic. Own the mistake, correct it and move on.
Taking a screenshot off a known person's video to make her and her partner into a meme is immoral and is gross misuse of intellectual property. Its more serious than plagiarism since what that does is harm the individual in the image.
If you want to look at it from another perspective, it also tarnishes Steemcleaners' reputation. Patrice works her ass off to keep plagiarism and theft at bay and now there's a Steemcleaners meme with stolen images.
Insulting the person who called you out on the act isn't the way to clear yourself or to correct the mistake.
and not really that it matters... because I did borrow the image without investigating ownership or anything. I admit and apologize for that.
But.... I did not screen capture or knowingly take the image from a known YouTuber.
I searched DuckDuckGo for images for "How to compost leaves" and it showed up in the list. I then clicked on it and chose "View File" it showed up on a page by itself. I saved it.
You are right that I should not borrow images without verifying they are open use(Pixabay). My bad. And the images have been removed.
Did you read my reply?
second, this all happened in the last 2 hours. I never made any claim that I would not fix it. I am trying to findout to what extent it needs to be fixed.
third, the way @rakkasan84 referred to "a YouTuber" I would have never guessed it was his partner. If CaliKim is asking me to remove/ change these images I will most certainly do that. I would never do something with someone's image that They Themselves has a problem with.
finally, can you please let me know how it is that I insulted @rakkasan84 ?
Thank you
I didn't mean that the youtuber is @rakkasan84's partner, was referring to the two people in the images.
Anyways, just use a stock image for the background and recreate your meme, put in some credit somewhere to where the stock image came from. The "extent" is that the image should be replalced with one that's for public use. Seems pretty simple to me man.
Yeah, I'll have to search more for a stock image that will work with the meme. Pixabay had nothing. Thanks
Meme's are constantly being done with images that are on the internet, but are not necessarily public use. Am I wrong about that? Maybe they are constantly 'abusing' intellectual property. I am not an attorney and was just going by past experience.
And I am still clueless about what you meant about partners. The only image I had only had one person in it. Not a person and their partner. I just don't follow what you mean. I looked it up and CaliKim's partner looks nothing like any person I have ever used in any of my posts. Thx
You're not wrong, memes are made of all sort of random people. The difference to myself is that we as Steem users hold ourselves up to a higher level in terms of originality of content and citation. For example, our acceptable citation level is roughly on par with that of college essays, which says a lot considering many users have never written an academic document.
My mistake on the partner. I thought there were two of them.
Okay, we are agreed. I will not make this mistake again.
If you can do a favor for me... I don't know what started this with rakkasan. First he comes and correctly calls me out. Then an hour later he puts up his post on his blog. Seems he was already upset with Steemcleaners before he came to my blog?
The incident with his wifes account and steemcleaners happened two months ago. and she didn't get flagged. And a couple weeks later he calls steemcleaners on one of her Posts to take care of a spammy affiliate comment. So he got over Steemcleaners warning his wife. So what happened now?
And because I speak my opinion and ask for his response, he starts to flag me. I will not go into a flag war with him. that is stupid. But so is him flagging me 3 times.
He seems to have good support here on Steemit as a veteran and from the Silver community. I am hoping one of them can speak some sense to him about slandering Steemcleaners. They work hard to KEEEP STEEMIT CLEAN so we can hold ourselves to a higher standard... as you put it. Why hurt their work? If he has a single issue... why not talk to them about it? I have spoken before to @patrice on steemit.chat She is sometimes available. Prior to this, he seems like a good homestead blogger. But this all just seems weird.
thx
It's a coincidence and you shouldn't concern yourself over all of that. Just make your posts about whatever you want. Flags are a natural aspect of the ecosystem. Besides, without dissenting opinions we can't achieve a true level of quality and freedom. Here's an idea bro .. Why don't you jump on one of the chats and help users post and cite instead of worrying about all this?
so....
A. @rakkasan84 has no interest in an 'intellectual' conversation.
B. Thinks that a quick google search, and copy paste of anything similar covers as an answer.
C. places a link to an article and information that, may in fact, not apply to this discussion at all.
I am still interested in a conversation. If you are short on time, feel free to respond when you do have time to.
Thanks
You got caught using a stolen image to promote Steemcleaners, which is quite ironic. Own the mistake, correct it and move on.
Taking a screenshot off a known person's video to make her and her partner into a meme is immoral and is gross misuse of intellectual property. Its more serious than plagiarism since what that does is harm the individual in the image.
If you want to look at it from another perspective, it also tarnishes Steemcleaners' reputation. Patrice works her ass off to keep plagiarism and theft at bay and now there's a Steemcleaners meme with stolen images.
Insulting the person who called you out on the act isn't the way to clear yourself or to correct the mistake.
and not really that it matters... because I did borrow the image without investigating ownership or anything. I admit and apologize for that.
But.... I did not screen capture or knowingly take the image from a known YouTuber.
I searched DuckDuckGo for images for "How to compost leaves" and it showed up in the list. I then clicked on it and chose "View File" it showed up on a page by itself. I saved it.
You are right that I should not borrow images without verifying they are open use(Pixabay). My bad. And the images have been removed.
Did you read my reply?
second, this all happened in the last 2 hours. I never made any claim that I would not fix it. I am trying to findout to what extent it needs to be fixed.
third, the way @rakkasan84 referred to "a YouTuber" I would have never guessed it was his partner. If CaliKim is asking me to remove/ change these images I will most certainly do that. I would never do something with someone's image that They Themselves has a problem with.
finally, can you please let me know how it is that I insulted @rakkasan84 ?
Thank you
I didn't mean that the youtuber is @rakkasan84's partner, was referring to the two people in the images.
Anyways, just use a stock image for the background and recreate your meme, put in some credit somewhere to where the stock image came from. The "extent" is that the image should be replalced with one that's for public use. Seems pretty simple to me man.
Yeah, I'll have to search more for a stock image that will work with the meme. Pixabay had nothing. Thanks
Meme's are constantly being done with images that are on the internet, but are not necessarily public use. Am I wrong about that? Maybe they are constantly 'abusing' intellectual property. I am not an attorney and was just going by past experience.
And I am still clueless about what you meant about partners. The only image I had only had one person in it. Not a person and their partner. I just don't follow what you mean. I looked it up and CaliKim's partner looks nothing like any person I have ever used in any of my posts. Thx
You're not wrong, memes are made of all sort of random people. The difference to myself is that we as Steem users hold ourselves up to a higher level in terms of originality of content and citation. For example, our acceptable citation level is roughly on par with that of college essays, which says a lot considering many users have never written an academic document.
My mistake on the partner. I thought there were two of them.
Okay, we are agreed. I will not make this mistake again.
If you can do a favor for me... I don't know what started this with rakkasan. First he comes and correctly calls me out. Then an hour later he puts up his post on his blog. Seems he was already upset with Steemcleaners before he came to my blog?
The incident with his wifes account and steemcleaners happened two months ago. and she didn't get flagged. And a couple weeks later he calls steemcleaners on one of her Posts to take care of a spammy affiliate comment. So he got over Steemcleaners warning his wife. So what happened now?
And because I speak my opinion and ask for his response, he starts to flag me. I will not go into a flag war with him. that is stupid. But so is him flagging me 3 times.
He seems to have good support here on Steemit as a veteran and from the Silver community. I am hoping one of them can speak some sense to him about slandering Steemcleaners. They work hard to KEEEP STEEMIT CLEAN so we can hold ourselves to a higher standard... as you put it. Why hurt their work? If he has a single issue... why not talk to them about it? I have spoken before to @patrice on steemit.chat She is sometimes available. Prior to this, he seems like a good homestead blogger. But this all just seems weird.
thx
It's a coincidence and you shouldn't concern yourself over all of that. Just make your posts about whatever you want. Flags are a natural aspect of the ecosystem. Besides, without dissenting opinions we can't achieve a true level of quality and freedom. Here's an idea bro .. Why don't you jump on one of the chats and help users post and cite instead of worrying about all this?