RE: Why Do @spaminator // @steemcleaners Let @berniesanders' Spam & Harassment Slide?
I have to ask why these accounts (@steemcleaners, @spaminator) exist at this point. With the introduction of RCs there is little case to be made for anything being spam. If you're not familiar RCs changed the Steem chain so you have to have enough resources to make a post. This should have eliminated the true spam problem. Additionally it's your stake so you should be able to use it however you like.
Unfortunately they do still exist and are creating the issue of subjectivism. It's clear, to any reasonable person, that @lyndsaybowes has shown their inability to complete their stated goal and as such their delegation should be removed.
Steemit Inc should instead offer this delegation to projects that are actually improving the Steem blockchain like Vimm.tv. This platform has been helping fill a hole left by DLive's absence with an arm essentially tied behind their back. Instead of supporting Bernie's efforts, intentionally or not, why not allow free speech to reign and good creators to be rewarded?
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You realize @steemcleaners deals with more than just spam, correct? Plagiarism, identity theft, etc... are problems that need to be addressed and I am glad there is someone out there actively working to deal with them.
I do but I have major issues with it. First by fundamentals alone it's silly to me to be on a decentralized social network yet rely on major accounts to be the arbiter of content. Let the community work together to downvote plagiarism. I've seen the photography community do an excellent job self policing without SCs help.
The second issue is that seeking a central arbiter causes there to be a bias. The problem is what is worthless to some may be another person's whole reason of being here. Beyond that look at their selective enforcement when it comes to the list above.
Finally why can Bernie currently create accounts in Lyndsey's likeness without word from them on identity theft. It seems to me they aren't doing a worthwhile job for the delegation they've been allotted.
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You say let the community come together to deal with but there have been years of evidence that has shown that individual people (for the most part) don't go hunting for plagiarized posts for several reasons.
It isn't in their monetary interest to do so. Why waste the time and effort (or voting power if you choose to flag). Few people are that altruistic to do it out of the kindness of their hearts and if this platform have proven anything its that people need to be incentivized to act.
Small groups/individual actors face retribution if they attempt to flag something, even if a post is blatantly plagiarized are you going to risk your accounts reputation to deal with it?
Lastly, this is the community coming together to fight it. Even without any delegation from Ned the SC account still has a ton of SP. Steemcleaners doesn't work for steemit, they are a group of people who believe fighting the abuse on steemit is worth it. Like you said, its a decentralized social network, you can't stop like minded people from joining together for a cause they believe in.
It is exactly accounts like @steemcleaners that create this problem. By posturing as the solution, other users leave the problem to them. This same dynamic has created a vast increase in criminality in the US. Prior to the turn of the 20th Century, there were few police in the USA, and much less crime - because people knew they needed to provide their security personally.
Armed civilians can prevent crime. Police cannot, but only play historian after the crime has been committed. In this way police actually cause crime to increase, because ordinary civilians leave their security to the police, and police cannot prevent crime.
Absent @steemcleaners, ordinary users would have to police Steem themselves, and the possibility of being individually targeted in retaliation by abusers would have been resolved, easily.
Steem Cleaners has destroyed an entire project from a friend of mine by flag-blanketing his 'vote to enter contest' (any size vote, @maahes) while allowing another user (@playdice) to do it because 'he went in and talked to them'. I tried to go in and do the 'talking' but to no success.
Are we in an experimental beta phase or Is this a content curation blockchain? Why do some few get to decide what types of interactions are allowed?
This organization should not exist, as much as I believe many of its members think they are doing good work.
Well... I can tell you that the argument that won them over for me (aka @PlayDice) was that PlayDice is an actual game with changing mechanics/win requirements on each game... the "upvote to enter" is just the entry mechanism.
There are a few such competitions/"upvote to enter" programmes operating for months, even years now, but none of them are just automated duplicate spam posts saying "vote this post to enter"... They are actual competitions/games/whatever.
that... and of course that 100% of the liquid rewards (actually more because I spend money on upvote subscriptions etc. too) goes to the people entering the contest.
P.S. Do you have a link to the game/account that was flagged? I don't know anyone in SC etc. ... it's more just for my own curiosity.
Thank you for dropping in here @braaiboy - your comments were those that encouraged me to reach out to steemcleaners.
The account is @maahes, but you'll have to go back in time a bit, he has been quite angry at the treatment.
Philosopically, I am still not in agreement with someone judging how unique/interesting/adjective something needs to be for members to use their own SP* to use the steem blockchain - this type of thinking stiffles creativity. That is my opinion.
That said, hearing your experience did give me a ray of hope.
Nah, dood. They're basically just overfed mall cops these days.
It will be difficult for you to support the argument that the lindsayblowes account isn't identity theft, and the failure of steemcleaners to do what was done to the FTG socks to that account can be justified.
I actually replied to that bot over several days wondering WTF was @lindsaybowes doing, before I noticed the 'l'. @steemcleaners and similar efforts aren't confronting this particular user for the exact same problems that they claim they are instituted to resolve.
all flagging accounts belong to seemit inc , that is how they keep steem for themselves rather then letting users cash out . it is looting operation
Great point Patrick, I hadn't thought of in the RC aspect before...