-ED- Defends Socialism
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“You got too many videos, just don't have time to watch them.”
That’s fine. They weren’t for you.
I put “For this discussion” at the very beginning for a reason.
Likewise, it was just meant as an exhaustive list of rebutting resources to show that there are, indeed, arguments for the free market.
“What I can tell you is that with private ownership of everything, you always end up with society that benefits those people who own everything.”
What I can tell you is that if you don’t define your terms, and don’t ask me what I mean by mine, such as “private ownership of everything”… we’ll probably talk past each other.
I mean, exactly how do you defend that assertion?
How isn’t the Common ownership of everything not going to result in The Tragedy Of The Commons?
“This is what you have in Capitalism (and before it, in Feudalism, and before it, in Monarchy, and we still have monarchies)
This is NOT a good system.”
How do you define Capitalism?
I’m willing to bet you $5 that your definition of Capitalism matches my definition of Corporatism, or is at least closer to it than The Free Market.
Corporatism, AKA Crony Capitalism, AKA Mixed Market:
A market of trade/exchange where there are both elements of people trading and exchanging goods and services freely, as well as elements of government intervention.
If government (the notion of the necessity of rule enforced via actions) is manifest via the societal behaviors of a monopoly on force, especially by taxation (“official” people taking resources/money without regard for the consent of those whom they are taking such resources from), you end up with Barriers To Entry
Disagree? Then you should support Roger Ver’s project.
“First of all, the whole planet and everything in it, is not created by any human, therefore no land or its natural resources should belong to any person or entity, it should belong to all of humanity, as well as wild life. We are part of the closed eco system as we all depend on one another.”
Heard of the concept of Homesteading?
I’d also like to point out that I also agree with the idea that the whole planet was not created by any one human, and this is where my thinking - to many anarchists - looks rather communistic, even though it isn’t, but that’s a topic for another time.
Ironically, the idea that natural resources “should belong to all of humanity”… is literally the classic Tragedy Of The Commons issue.
Do you disagree? Why?
The next few paragraphs are just iterations of the idea of corporatism, culminating in your use of the label Free Market Capitalism, in my opinion, extremely inappropriately:
“This type of system is called Free Market Capitalism, the term FREE doesn't mean freedom for the people, which sounds nice, it means freedom for the capitalists, to do as they want, with their hands untied, because without any government/law regulations they can do as they please, and that is exactly what they want and what they did.”
Likewise, given that you’ve included Free Market in your conflation of terms, I rescind my $5 bet.
We need to bridge some serious conceptual gaps via conversation.
In a free market, people can’t just do as they please.
If companies do a shitty job, they go bankrupt because customers stop buying from them. What you’re talking about is only possible with corporotocracy/corporatism/crony capitalism/mixed markets.
Corporations are legal entities of the government, after all.
Without government, they wouldn’t exist.
“This is why we need an economic system, which is system of production which is in the interest of the workers,”
How about a system where the worker and producer are one in the same? Why focus on only one side of the issue? What’s in it for the person hiring the worker? What if the worker could be hiring other workers? What if the apparent class divide was the result of government brainwashing and indoctrination, where you and others advocate for your and my enslavement?
“Work should be rewarded and not ownership. me buying out an established business and getting income from work which other people do and not me, is exploitation.”
So you’re a Marxist?
“I forgot... things that whole society needs (health cover, education, infrastructure, military, police) should all be publicly owned and run businesses, and they should not be for profit.”
Why?
https://memo.cash/post/c1d90bf46fcd8cf7c0955a99bbd2d769bceded1fd8e01da33b33708739ea9d60
https://memo.cash/post/4afee1bfac9bbf41cb9356e45bb64edb8cd8a93a21a92af6ade18af91fe18da1
“This not only works better and provides basic human rights to everyone, it is actually cheaper to do it this way, workers get better pay, which helps their families and communities, which unlike extremely rich money hoarders, always spend their money which means it goes back into circulation, which means products are bought, which means their standard of living is better, which is how you get true growth for everyone, and not just for the small minority.”
Explain?