Sndbox Summer Camp Philosophy or Psychology or Sociology - Task 1

in #sndboxquest7 years ago

It seems like everyone on Steem is talking about voting behavior these days. Whale circle jerks, bidbots, the trending page, everyone is trying to figure out how to actually distributing the rewards pool in a way that actually recognizes quality work. There's a lot of good ideas out there, delegate more to curation initiatives, flag shit posters, ban bid bots, but I think that frankly all of this dances around the fact that the voting structure on Steem is fatally flawed and cannot be fixed short of a major hardfork.

@sorin-cristescu posted this excerpt from the Steem whitepaper on guyfawkes4-20's post wondering what the heck is wrong with Steem:

What fatalist trash! Abuse is equal to productiveness of PoW mining? Sure, maybe if a significant portion of your blockchain's value wasn't derived from content. And you can argue they are failing in ensuring "abuse isn't so rampant that it undermines the incentive to do real work." Sometimes I think Steem Inc. doesn't really know what Steem is. Is just another blockchain that happens to have fast enough transaction speed to handle the demands of social media? Is it a blockchain for content? Is it a dApp Platform? Steemit sometimes feels like some libertarian experiment where positive and negative are discarded as concepts and "the market" is the ultimate judge of value. It's like a massive test of the collective action problem and it's currently failing miserably. It forgets a market of self-interested actors tends to end up an Ouroboros and just eats itself.

But that attitude is not the fatal flaw of Steem, merely a reason why they don't seem to have fully considered how they built the system. The problem is the structure of the system incentivizes rent-seeking and profiteering. It all has to do with the current method for determining a value of a post. It makes the same stupid mistake that conservative economists make when discussing economics, that wealth gives you a vested interest in the success of the system as a whole. The wealthy generally give zero fucks that the system benefits the entire population, they just want it to make them more wealthy. So of course making the reward system based on accumulated wealth (SP in this case) is going to devolve into the wealthy trying to take as much of the pie as they can. It's in their interests to.

So what would fix this? Well Steem actually already has a value for determining who the best actors in the system are, it's your reputation score! As they say, money can't buy class. You can't buy a reputation, the only way you can earn one is by contributing and being a good citizen of the platform, kind of the same way it works in real life. Bid-bot accounts don't have a a high reputation, so they would lose their power almost immediately. And shit posters motivation turns to gaining rep, not buying votes. We do however still want people to hold on to their SP so that there is actually a reason to buy the tokens, so you make the voting value based on some factor like rep-score squared * SP. Additionally, I really like the idea of delegations to communal curation projects. However, you should be held accountable for your delegations. If a delegated account gets flagged for things, all delegators to that account get a share of negative rep.

On that note, flagging needs to be unchained as well. If it were more common place around here it might not be seen as a personal attack on your entire lineage and everything you've ever loved the way it is today. Currently you up vote a post, you get a curation reward, they get an author reward, everyone wins! You flag someone you get nothing but smugness and a mortal enemy for life. Plus you now have less voting power for rewards. The fix? Separate flag power and negative curation rewards. If you flag something and the post value goes negative, you get a curation reward from that. Downvoting content is every bit as important as upvoting, possibly more so. Otherwise there is no hammer to take to the low content posters trying to make a quick buck. With no real consequence, why not just spam and buy votes?

So how do we get the voting behavior we want to see on Steemit? Well don't hate the player, hate the game. The current system incentivizes the wrong behavior. Currently to be successful here you just need to get valuable votes by whatever means are necessary. All that leads to is our current situation. What you need to do is change the structure so those who build the strongest reputations here have the most power. Then the means to succeed here becomes about how can you be the best Steemian you can be. The only way we can do that however is a complete teardown of the voting system and replacing it with something that actually gives us the intended result.

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In all the time I have spent on here, and invested in posting and making comments - I still don't have any idea how it all contributes to hashing a cryptocurrency! Post rewards are nice, it makes you feel your effort has worth - it took me a long time from when I started to get anywhere and really the biggest growth I gained was through Bid Bots although when they started out you could really gain on them because hardly anyone used them - so a tiny bid got nearly the full upvote value! Now you are lucky to find one that isn't over bidded.

But the more time I have spent on this platform the less I care for the rewards, the greatest benefit by far is the people on here - amazing content creators sharing diverse and incredible content. That's what I care about more then anything now, the posts I enjoy and sharing them so others can find them and enjoy them as well - that's why I resteem pretty much everything I visit - everything says you should resteem hardly anything just a post you want to really promote - I want to promote all the posts because it's the only way to be sure they are found! My own posts get lost in the sea of resteems, even I struggle to find them - but without an easy way to share good content for all - that is how I do it - I made my own blog a new list that is far better then Trending, Hot, Promoted - it's what I like and what I think people who follow me will like.

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Well to answer your question, DPoS chains like this one don't hash coins like PoW chains. The witnesses do all that. Everything we do here is just transactions on the chain.

The best posters are the ones who put out quality stuff without regard to how it might get rewared. You my friend are a great example of that. And it's true, any rewards we get are infinitely better than the nothing we would get farting this stuff into FB or Intsa, or not writing it at all. There's nothing wrong with being happy how this place works for you. But it could work better. If we all work together we can make this place more rewarding for everyone. You certainly deserve everything you get on here and more. On some level, both and Steemit and in real life, those who try and get an inordinate share of the wealth of the system depend on people being content with what they are getting, even though they should be getting more. My goal, both here and in the real world, is to work to change the system so that we all do better.

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Hopefully steemit changes things up so more valuable posts get what they deserve. Awesome post and the player haters ball is the best 😎😁

I hate you, I hate you, I don't even know you and I hate your guts!

Best skit ever 😛

Reputation score is very gameable, it's just that nobody's doing it because it doesn't mean anything. If you started basing vote value on reputation you'd see whale-supported bid-bots with massive rep very quickly.

Every system is gameable to some extent. It seems, at least from my perspective, harder to game rep than SP. Plus it gives the community a way to diminish the VP of bad actors. There's no way currently for us to actually reduce the SP of someone's account (nor should there be). The goal is, of course, to give the community the tools it needs to moderate itself better, and to make gaming the system less productive than just participating. Over time you iterate and patch the things that aren't working as intented, like any program or system.

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