I give to the system more than I can get just self upvoting.. That is the point of shadowbot you just don't like that it is a fair balancing system apparently and want more than you can get just self up voting yourself.
You don't understand how our system works. The amount you earn is based on the amount you contribute and the quality of content you create. You only made 3 posts in the last month... How can you earn if you never post?
....The amount you earn is based on the amount you contribute and the quality of content you create.
These words sound to me like a bold statement.
In what UNITS this "amount" is measured?
What is "quality of content" ? How exactly it is determined? Who makes this determination - a human, or a computer? If computer , then it must be some clear and hard criteria, formulas, coefficients, algorithms involved. What are them ? How they work?
What I am really missing - is a lot more transparency, what exactly makes RANK and pool-priority figures high ( or low), and in what degree ???
And how all this corespond to a participants ROI ?
To me personally - all what matters is ROI. Not the absolute numbers of upvote qty, or collected Steem/Sp on upvotes. But only the ROI % - the Return-on-Investment. We invest our SP ( Steem-power), and want the good returns, right?
Shall I keep my SP with shadowbot, or maybe it is 5x times more profitable ROI % to delegate my SP to minnowbooster ( or any other bot)?
How excatly I can raise my ROI ? Not the amount of upvotes, or SBD collected, but the ROI PERCENTAGE?
Which of these accounts will get a better ROI?
A or B? C or D? E or F?
It seems to me more and more, that there is little (or none) of the fixed, clearly determined algorithms in shadowbot, and more everything is based on subjective, human (dev's) evaluations and actions.
Good thing is - everything is Burned in stone" on blockchain, so not easy to hide and obfuscate all this as a fair game.
The bad thing is - it takes much time, (and knowledge) to explore all blockchain data properly.
And even if this data outcomes will show reality is different from what it was declared - will it eventually change anything?
Some times it is more easy and rational - just LEAVE....
you have control on users voting power claiming to give fairly based on rank and use votes to owned accounts thereby paying yourself the money that comes out the end of a vote
I'm putting this reply in the root level as well, just in case you missed it on the ~300 odd back-and-forth replies:
[in response to @bigdeej claiming that everyone in ShadowBot is happy]
I'm sorry @bigdeej ... but that is a blatant lie. I was a moderator on ShadowBot discord for some time, and almost everyone was upset with the lack of answers and transparency. I recently removed all of my accounts and friends accounts that I manage. Some of these accounts had SP well in excess of 500, and yet a priority of just 0.2 ... FOR MONTHS ... without explanation of exactly HOW they would/IF they ever would move up.
I tried following this thread but (much like my experience with you and @jonbit in person and on discord), your responses are incoherent at worst or off-topic at best and never actually address any questions posed to you.
As for quality posts being rewarded: Another load of BS.
Countless reports of blatant spam have gone ignored and continually rewarded. The newest automated shit-posting accounts have magically gone from 0 to hero in a matter of a few weeks on ShadowBot - most of them without any real SP (some with a fair amount of delegated SP now though - which apparently shouldn't count for anything according to you)... but these accounts obviously either belong to buddies of yours and/or more likely belong to you.
Long story short: @ShadowBot is probably not a scam per se, but is only beneficial to those in the devs' inner circle and/or those who got in on the pyramid early on. EVERYONE ELSE IS GETTING SCREWED!
I give to the system more than I can get just self upvoting.. That is the point of shadowbot you just don't like that it is a fair balancing system apparently and want more than you can get just self up voting yourself.
MORE LIES!!
$121.06 PENDING ON @bigdeej ACCOUNT MAJORITY FROM SHADOWBOT
1 ACCOUNT MORE THAN 6 TIMES YOUR VOTE CONTRIBUTION
You don't understand how our system works. The amount you earn is based on the amount you contribute and the quality of content you create. You only made 3 posts in the last month... How can you earn if you never post?
These words sound to me like a bold statement.
In what UNITS this "amount" is measured?
What is "quality of content" ? How exactly it is determined? Who makes this determination - a human, or a computer? If computer , then it must be some clear and hard criteria, formulas, coefficients, algorithms involved. What are them ? How they work?
What I am really missing - is a lot more transparency, what exactly makes RANK and pool-priority figures high ( or low), and in what degree ???
And how all this corespond to a participants ROI ?
To me personally - all what matters is ROI. Not the absolute numbers of upvote qty, or collected Steem/Sp on upvotes. But only the ROI % - the Return-on-Investment. We invest our SP ( Steem-power), and want the good returns, right?
Shall I keep my SP with shadowbot, or maybe it is 5x times more profitable ROI % to delegate my SP to minnowbooster ( or any other bot)?
How excatly I can raise my ROI ? Not the amount of upvotes, or SBD collected, but the ROI PERCENTAGE?
Which of these accounts will get a better ROI?
A or B? C or D? E or F?
It seems to me more and more, that there is little (or none) of the fixed, clearly determined algorithms in shadowbot, and more everything is based on subjective, human (dev's) evaluations and actions.
Good thing is - everything is Burned in stone" on blockchain, so not easy to hide and obfuscate all this as a fair game.
The bad thing is - it takes much time, (and knowledge) to explore all blockchain data properly.
And even if this data outcomes will show reality is different from what it was declared - will it eventually change anything?
Some times it is more easy and rational - just LEAVE....
Quality content is very subjective.. One man's quality post is another man's shit post.
I don't class meme's or a one sentence question quality content but obviously someone does on shadowbot
paying 100's of sbd in votes for months to get paid less than 50% of contribution after
We don't charge SBD for our service so what are you talking about?
you have control on users voting power claiming to give fairly based on rank and use votes to owned accounts thereby paying yourself the money that comes out the end of a vote
I'm putting this reply in the root level as well, just in case you missed it on the ~300 odd back-and-forth replies:
[in response to @bigdeej claiming that everyone in ShadowBot is happy]
I'm sorry @bigdeej ... but that is a blatant lie. I was a moderator on ShadowBot discord for some time, and almost everyone was upset with the lack of answers and transparency. I recently removed all of my accounts and friends accounts that I manage. Some of these accounts had SP well in excess of 500, and yet a priority of just 0.2 ... FOR MONTHS ... without explanation of exactly HOW they would/IF they ever would move up.
I tried following this thread but (much like my experience with you and @jonbit in person and on discord), your responses are incoherent at worst or off-topic at best and never actually address any questions posed to you.
As for quality posts being rewarded: Another load of BS.
Countless reports of blatant spam have gone ignored and continually rewarded. The newest automated shit-posting accounts have magically gone from 0 to hero in a matter of a few weeks on ShadowBot - most of them without any real SP (some with a fair amount of delegated SP now though - which apparently shouldn't count for anything according to you)... but these accounts obviously either belong to buddies of yours and/or more likely belong to you.
Long story short: @ShadowBot is probably not a scam per se, but is only beneficial to those in the devs' inner circle and/or those who got in on the pyramid early on. EVERYONE ELSE IS GETTING SCREWED!
cc @isacoin / @oricaless
all on blockchain verifiable
yes analysis will show clearly where the money went and i have some history on your ranking to go with
@steemflagrewards
@grandpawhale = @bigdeej