As we are signing off for a little while, I'll give a non-utopian mod comment before the official one and say thank for all the good work you do behind the scenes and with these analyses. I suspect no-one will argue if the reward is as high as the category allows and hope that our reviews in the past year or two have been fair.
Nice work @crokkon - resteemed :) I would be curious to see the correlation between bid bot (paid vote) use and self-voting - I would assume it is high, as getting a self-vote in before large paid votes is one of the best curation ROI games in town particularly when you can wait to decide what post to pay for votes on until after you manage to get your own vote in at the optimal time. Any way you could run a quick query using your bid bot list to see what % of posts upvoted by the self-voting and low-diversity voters also end up receiving paid votes, vs. what % of posts NOT upvoted by self/low-diversity voters end up receiving paid votes.
Yeah order of votes is obviously important, I am actually working on an analysis post currently that I hope to publish tonight RE paid votes share of reward pool, and I chose to focus on share of curation reward claimed by bid bots vs. r-shares rewarded precisely because r-shares doesn't reflect curation sniping and vote order. Interesting point RE comments vs. top level, I think it would be worth a quick follow up post from you showing same metrics you have above but split out by top level vs. comments.
I would still expect a much higher % of posts that receive paid votes to have the author's vote on it, than the % of posts that receive paid votes and have no direct self vote. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was near 100% of posts that receive paid votes that also have direct self vote. There are social aspects to consider outside of pure curation reward mechanic, the "no bid bot camp" has high degree of overlap with the "no self vote camp" :)
Thank you so much for your great post as always! Probably this might be your last utopian analysis post? I'll miss your post.
Probably it's good idea for you and @abh12345 and other moderators to apply for steemit delegation with a program focused on steemit github. only steemit github and put much more weight on analysis, dev than other categroies.
Thanks for this excellent contribution which i've given as a 'staff pick' this week :)
Like you, I'm very surprised about the stability of these numbers over the past year or two. I think many had thought that the game was up and most had resorted to self-voting across 1-5 accounts but the results so this isn't the case.
I think the issue is amplified in that some of the self / low account spread voters are large accounts which have been pretty much left to their own devices for a long time now.
Will the next fork help in any way? I hope so and wonder if over valued / botted posts could be targeted first, then obvious self-voters, and then if there is downvote VP left to go around, people may want to see who is farming other accounts with their vote.
Great post showing things maybe aren't as bad as they seem :)
Cheers
Asher
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My data in the last 31 days: upvoted 264 accounts, 25.1 % are selfvotes. I needed selfvotes to get enough liquid Steem/SBD for contest prizes and donations but now with earning multiple tokens from Steem Engine I think I'll be OK with lesser amount of selfvotes. What do you think?
Hmmm interesting findings and if the vast majority of users aren't self upvoting then we have a load of legends using the platform. It's not as bad as some have made it out to be! Thanks for the data crunching!
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As we are signing off for a little while, I'll give a non-utopian mod comment before the official one and say thank for all the good work you do behind the scenes and with these analyses. I suspect no-one will argue if the reward is as high as the category allows and hope that our reviews in the past year or two have been fair.
Cheers, I'll be back :)
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Thank you for your review, @abh12345! Keep up the good work!
Nice work @crokkon - resteemed :) I would be curious to see the correlation between bid bot (paid vote) use and self-voting - I would assume it is high, as getting a self-vote in before large paid votes is one of the best curation ROI games in town particularly when you can wait to decide what post to pay for votes on until after you manage to get your own vote in at the optimal time. Any way you could run a quick query using your bid bot list to see what % of posts upvoted by the self-voting and low-diversity voters also end up receiving paid votes, vs. what % of posts NOT upvoted by self/low-diversity voters end up receiving paid votes.
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Yeah order of votes is obviously important, I am actually working on an analysis post currently that I hope to publish tonight RE paid votes share of reward pool, and I chose to focus on share of curation reward claimed by bid bots vs. r-shares rewarded precisely because r-shares doesn't reflect curation sniping and vote order. Interesting point RE comments vs. top level, I think it would be worth a quick follow up post from you showing same metrics you have above but split out by top level vs. comments.
I would still expect a much higher % of posts that receive paid votes to have the author's vote on it, than the % of posts that receive paid votes and have no direct self vote. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was near 100% of posts that receive paid votes that also have direct self vote. There are social aspects to consider outside of pure curation reward mechanic, the "no bid bot camp" has high degree of overlap with the "no self vote camp" :)
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Hi @crokkon,
Thank you so much for your great post as always! Probably this might be your last utopian analysis post? I'll miss your post.
Probably it's good idea for you and @abh12345 and other moderators to apply for steemit delegation with a program focused on steemit github. only steemit github and put much more weight on analysis, dev than other categroies.
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Thanks, hope there'll be a similar program.
Last for a little while maybe, but hopefully there will be more in the future!
I hope the top bods at utopian are aware of the steemit delegation post and will be discussing it :)
good to hear that. there should be.
Hi @crokkon
Thanks for this excellent contribution which i've given as a 'staff pick' this week :)
Like you, I'm very surprised about the stability of these numbers over the past year or two. I think many had thought that the game was up and most had resorted to self-voting across 1-5 accounts but the results so this isn't the case.
I think the issue is amplified in that some of the self / low account spread voters are large accounts which have been pretty much left to their own devices for a long time now.
Will the next fork help in any way? I hope so and wonder if over valued / botted posts could be targeted first, then obvious self-voters, and then if there is downvote VP left to go around, people may want to see who is farming other accounts with their vote.
Great post showing things maybe aren't as bad as they seem :)
Cheers
Asher
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My data in the last 31 days: upvoted 264 accounts, 25.1 % are selfvotes. I needed selfvotes to get enough liquid Steem/SBD for contest prizes and donations but now with earning multiple tokens from Steem Engine I think I'll be OK with lesser amount of selfvotes. What do you think?
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This is great data analysis. Thanks a lot for sharing the tools you used!
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Uhmmm maybe a model approach such as the one that palnet took could help to incentivize people voting on other's posts.
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Hmmm interesting findings and if the vast majority of users aren't self upvoting then we have a load of legends using the platform. It's not as bad as some have made it out to be! Thanks for the data crunching!
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Let me enjoy the blissful ignorance for just a moment... enjoys moment before realisation that he slightly misunderstood the research
Nooooooooooo haha
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